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I tried out this OS last year and really loved it, until I went on a road trip and couldn’t use Android Auto. This is huge and will make GrapheneOS an extremely attractive option to privacy minded people.
I think Android Auto is really the only thing keeping me from completely de-googling. Many times in the past I’ve installed some stripped down ROM or whatever but I always go back because Android Auto is too convenient.
I wish there was a nice open source alternative that worked with my head unit.
So you can have Android Auto while beinging degoogled. I do. As others have pointed out there is: https://github.com/sn-00-x/aa4mg
It’s a bit of a faff to install, but works.
The problem I found is no SatNav that can take into account traffic. The best I’ve found is “Organic Maps”, but it is open and works without the Google infrastructure. No getting round that traffic knowledge makes Google Maps better.
I have non AA things forcing me towards having to at least partly re-google.
I’ve been eying GrapheneOS as a way to compromise without being compromised.
To me it is super weird that GrapheneOS positions itself as a way to degoogle - but it is only supported on google’s Pixel hardware.
Pixel hardware is some of the easiest to get/best/cost effective with an unlocked bootloader.
Too bad the only affordable ones are those that have little to no support left.
Why would anyone care about official support? That’s not why you buy a pixel
I meant support from Graphene itself.
is it that bad? I though Graphene supports all Pixels well
The following devices are end-of-life, no longer receive firmware or most driver security updates and receive extended support from GrapheneOS as part of the main releases with all GrapheneOS changes including all of the latest Android Open Source Project changes:
Pixel 5 (redfin) Pixel 4a (5G) (bramble)well, I see. thankfully there’s loads and loads and loads of alternatives over on XDA still in development
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That sounds like a reasonable position. Google would have an advantage in getting timely AOSP and security updates, but getting that stuff done should be a high priority for all manufacturers anyway. As for the rest of the list, there are things I don’t know about - but at a glance it looks fair enough. So I guess there could and probably should be other phones trying to meet those conditions.
For example, they’ll regularly suggest using sandboxed Google Play over F-Droid or Aurora Store
Because many of my used apps are only available in Google Play.
GrapheneOS gives you options that you don’t have to use. I don’t agree with you.
You know what Aurora Store is, right?
What is it?
An anonymous frontend for Google Play
Thanks. I thought there may have been some sort of controversy about it, that’s why I asked.
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I think because on other manufacturer android phones, like Samsung, you’d have to de-Google and also de-Samsung.
I’m betting it’s because Pixels have some unique hardware/ software quirks or something.
iirc they are the only phones that allow adding custom avb keys and then relocking the bootloader
Oh hell yeah. That was a big issue when I tried out gOS last year.
Awesome. I’ve been using GrapheneOS on my Pixel 7 for almost a year now and it’s been great. I won’t be using this feature, but am happy it might attract more users.
I’m still sour that Google disables hdmi/DP over USB-C on Pixels on purpose, and it bothers me that Graphene devs never bothered adding it back.
I think it’s available on the Pixel 8. Graphene OS enabled USB-C video out a couple of months ago.
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I’m still iffy about grapheneos after the rossman issue. Any other good alternatives?
iirc that developer doesn’t work on grapheneos anymore
Daniel Micay says he will retire from lead developer and move on to management role, yet I think he is still committing a lot of the code https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_manifest/commits/14
However, I do believe he is very devoted to improving the privacy and security for all users, despite his communication issue. So I personally still uses grapheneos.
Similar alternatives are divest and calyx, but it seems like graphene is still the best for me and probably for most beginners and experts alike.
If you need Android Auto, the closest thing you’ll get is LineageOS with some sort of GApps, but those are far from the “privacy and security first” goals of GrapheneOS.
If you are looking for something private/“FOSS-focused” and don’t need Android Auto, I like CalyxOS a lot, and have heard good things about DivestOS.
I generally like Louis Rossmann, but his arguments in the GrapheneOS video were beyond stupid. He says that he can’t trust GrapheneOS because it’s developed by Daniel Micay. I guess he doesn’t understand that GrapheneOS is open source and anyone can see the code. Then he switched back to the proprietary Google ROM. So he’s trusting proprietary software that’s filled with spyware over privacy-respecting open source software that can be audited by anyone.
You don’t seem to understand the situation either and you blindly follow some YouTuber. I’d advise you to overthink your opinion on this topic.
Is Androit Auto proprietary? Does it depend on Google services (beyond GoogleMaps)?
Yes it’s proprietary and depends on a lot of Google services. Usually if you want it on a custom ROM, you need to use the full GApps packages. No Android Auto on smaller GApps packages.
It works with microG but you still need the proprietary Auto app.
Do you need to root your phone for that? Or is it possible without rooting? Afaik Auto app has to be installed in priv-app
You need Magisk.
Thanks. I tried an experiment recently, how long can I live without rooting. This is finally a reason to install magisk again.
Never tried microG, so that’s good to know.
microG doesn’t work on GrapheneOS, because it requires root privileges for basic functionality. The Sandboxed Google Play implementation in GrapheneOS is far superior.
About time!
I’d have rather seen Google Pay support than Android Auto though I imagine it’s a lot less feasible.
Google would have to approve the OS by whitelisting it
Yeah that’s definitely not going to happen lol
Would they? Why? I’m asking as I’m unaware of what restrictions are in place for it to work.
Edit: i meant to ask: “would they have to approve it?”
They would not. Best case scenario is that you can trick Google into thinking your device/OS is legit. It’s of no benefit to them to in any way compromise the security of their highly sensitive payments app.
Rephrased my initial message.
Because it requires full safetynet compliance
Google Pay support
I can not comprehend this. Ditching Google is why I yearn for alternatives to stock Android.
Here’s an example and why I’m not on a custom ROM. My job has “restaurant credit” as one of the benefits. That’s 200 euros a month in a card that can only be used through Google/Apple pay.
So either I skip the money or I need a second phone with me all the time.
It may be possible to convince them to offer that another way, if you care about software freedom and they care about what you value.
That’s very short sighted of you. I value my privacy, but 200 euros a month for using a custom ROM it’s a very expensive price. My company values me, but it’s a large company and making exceptions like this is an accountant s nightmare, specially for a benefit that’s not even part of my contract.
I didn’t mean just privacy but software freedom. I would try to avoid that perk if I could afford it.
I don’t recommend asking for an exception, but for everyone to get the opportunity to get that restaurant perk without needing proprietary software.
Privacy isn’t a binary choice. Obviously I would love for there to be an alternative to Google Pay but no such service exists.
The most private form of payment is to use cash but that’s just hugely inconvenient in 2024. Sometimes it would be nice to be able to pay from my phone when I don’t have my wallet on me but custom ROMs don’t allow it.
Strive for the future you want, reject bad choices where you can.
I’ve never paid via my phone. If I could replace debit card with cash I would.
I really hope google pay is next, but safety net makes that hard
This is huge, but are there any navigation apps which work with Android Auto except Google Maps and Waze (which is re-skinned Google Maps)? Afaik OSMAnd or Organic Maps do not support it
Is it easy to install graphenos on iOS? I got an iPhone 14. Does anyone have a good recommendation to help me through the process?
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GrapheneOS only works on Pixels. Also, you can’t install anything other than iOS on an iPhone.
It was probably a mistake to buy an apple device if you want to run and Android ROM.
