I don’t really have any investment in TF2.
But if I were involved with the #FixTF2 movement, I’d want it to be careful not to make the big wigs at Valve want to just slap Valorent-like anti-cheat on TF2.
It does seem like the page for #FixTF2 talks about zero tolerance policies and basically manually banning people based on reports. But not explicitly saying in the petition to Valve that kernel-level anticheat is not the solution seems risky.
Edit: Ok, looked a little closer. It doesn’t seem like #FixTF2 is really against invasive client-side anticheat measures. They talk about “updated anti-cheat measures” as something they want, but don’t put any qualifiers on that. That’s unfortunate.
I give Valve the benefit of the doubt and assume that they know that there’s plenty of consumers that are heavily against a kernel level anticheat. Valve is not really known for anti-consumer bullshit like this.
I haven’t played TF2 in 6 or 7 years but it sure as shit had anti-cheat measures back then, how’d it get this shitty? Dev neglect?
What’s the story? What’s wrong with tf2
Bots and cheaters have completely overtaken it and the small community that still plays has finally had enough
Botters have gone from aimbotting and afk item farming to basically crowding public lobbies with their bots, then using ai to voice spam slurs and “confessions of illegal activities” in the voice of people trying to bring attention to the bot problem. The botters have also done both doxxing (impersonating said people and spamming their personal info as well as using ai voice chat spam to get people to do vigilante action against innocent people), swatting (see previous), as well as using their majority in a server to kick anyone that tries to combat them.
That’s so grim.
Some people just have too much free time huh
Valve just closing their eyes and ears like they do to all other shitty things being done by players on their platform.
What do you want them to do? Shut the game down?
What kind of dumb answer is that? So its either accept the way it is or shut the game down? There is no way to fix a thing? Can’t work on anti cheat, better moderation, actual consequences for the assholes doing this, etc?
What is it with so many people crawling so deep up Valve’s ass. They are not some holy company that loves you deeply.
And I’m not just talking about the tf2 situation. Valve turns a blind eye to a lot of things on their platform such as hate speech and groups that purely exist to harass people.
its either accept the way it is or shut the game down?
What kind of dumb question is this? No, I asked you for a solution.
Can’t work on anti cheat
Everyone’s working on it. It doesn’t work.
better moderation
How so?
actual consequences for the assholes doing this, etc?
Valve hands out bans like crazy but they spin up 100 new bots for every ban.
What is it with so many people crawling so deep up Valve’s ass
What is it with so many people asking stupid questions?
Why do i need to come up with a solution? I don’t work at Valve. We’re asking Valve to come up with a solution and do something. Its their game. Its their code.
And to pretend Valve is trying hard is very ignorant… the only thing they try hard is adding more hats and making sure the marketplace works.
Why do i need to come up with a solution?
Because you’re the one saying there is a solution when there isn’t.
Now we’re truly competing with Overwatch 2 on review score
How have people not given TF2 a negative review long before this? It’s been full of cheaters for YEARS AND YEARS at this point.
Cheaters with stupid hats and pointless alternative weapons. Game never should have lost its original focus.
I expect people have moved onto other and better games, and never bothered to update their review from years ago - I definitely fall into that category.
community servers are fine, and it’s a great game. people were just holding out hope that valve would do something but they didn’t.
Quake Champions is 🔥yall
i did my part and slapped a negative review
I used to play TF2 a lot on Steam.
Then players started getting salty with me.
So I haven’t touched it ever since.
Why don’t they just shut down TF2 servers and call it a day?
All of their other games economies wod crumble if they did that
I’m not familiar with TF2, why would it break other game economies?
It would set a precedent for valve just pulling the plug on a game/marketplace. If all your digital collectibles in a game, some “worth” thousands of dollars can’t be accessed/used, everyone would start fire sales on their other inventories.
Especially bad when TF2 was pretty much the prototype for valve’s item marketplace!
This makes sense, thank you
pretty much yeah