• nous@programming.dev
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    3 months ago

    Just because a feature was not rolled out in the mid-90s would that mean that it’s not available today?

    Adding a feature is one thing, C++ has added a lot of memory safety features over the years. The problem with C++ is it still allows a lot of unsafe ways of working with memory that previous projects used and people still use now. Removing support for these features will break existing code and piss a lot of people off in the process. It is not about adding new features, but removing the unsafe existing features that they are talking about here.

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      3 months ago

      The problem with C++ is it still allows a lot of unsafe ways of working with memory that previous projects used and people still use now.

      Why do you think this is a problem? We have a tool that gives everyone the freedom to manage resources the way it suits their own needs. It even went as far as explicitly supporting garbage collectors right up to C++23. Some frameworks adopted and enforced their own memory management systems, such as Qt.

      Tell me, exactly why do you think this is a problem?

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          3 months ago

          It’s not just that. Debugging segfaults and UB can be an absolute nightmare.

          The C++ committee still haven’t learnt their lesson. I recently learnt about C++20 coroutines, which are pretty neat, if complex (there are pretty much no good learning resources about them). However they are still putting unnecessary UB footguns in it.

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            3 months ago

            Reminds me of how I found some safety measures to be in China some years back, basically those were signs saying “plz don’t fall to your death, if you do it’s your fault”

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              3 months ago

              At least it’s not like Russia, where it’s “plz don’t fall to your death, if you do it’s our fault”…

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                3 months ago

                I thought a lot of places are like that, that’s why we get all the fences and such 🤔