Yes, you can. Seriously, people act like Xorg is some immutable black box no one can touch. IT’S FREE (AS IN FREEDOM) SOFTWARE. FIX IT. Put in security gates with permissions for its security issues. And hell, it seems to work a lot better with different monitor and resolution configurations than Wayland can because everyone has to re-implement every damn thing from scratch because Wayland is a lazy, over-simplified library that basically tells everyone else “do your own damn work”.
Wayland is trash and the fact that we are fourteen years into its life (YES, FOURTEEN) and still can’t get it working right is a good indication that we need to abandon it.
Wayland is trash and the fact that we are fourteen years into its life (YES, FOURTEEN) and still can’t get it working right is a good indication that we need to abandon it.
lol, I don’t get why people keep using this argument…
All of these developers, companies, toolkits, DEs and various other projects have decided that it’s easier to literally rewrite the entire Linux desktop than to continue hacking Xorg.
In fact they don’t want to touch Xorg so much that they’re willing to spend 14 years (and counting) replacing it.
And you see this as indication that Wayland is trash?
Yes, you can. Seriously, people act like Xorg is some immutable black box no one can touch. IT’S FREE (AS IN FREEDOM) SOFTWARE. FIX IT.
Go right ahead. Start by adding per monitor refresh rate.
Every time I’ve used multimonitor in the past (I hate it, why the hell does anyone want to look back and forth between a bunch of monitors and get a pain in their neck when alt-tab and proper window management on a single monitor works far and away better), it just seemed to work in Xorg. I don’t think people know what Xorg is really capable of and are making excuses why this new Wayland trash needs to be used.
Because that’s all it is. Excuses to use something new and shiny and exciting. This whole movement of “we have something new” has forced so many projects into supporting it by giving them basically no choice. “This is the future, if you’re not with us you’re against us” mentality holding them hostage and forcing them to adapt. It’s pathetic.
I love when people who have no idea how Free software (or, you know, software in general) works have this idea that people who find bugs and report problems are somehow the same people who develop the software.
You agree that there are issues about it, you demand that people fox them for you, but if you don’t like the solution, you go on rants on social media for people to implement your solution despite everyone working on the problem telling you it’s a bad idea.
Go back to Windows, kid. There is a division between people who report problems and people who work on projects, and some people who report problems even work on separate projects themselves, myself included. But there is a particular skillset to doing low level desktop development a simple application developer like myself does not have, and we pass on our own experiences with bug reports and other things to those who do have them.
Except in the case of Wayland, whose developers seem to have this “WORKS ON MY MACHINE, YOU SUCK, SHUT UP” mentality. So I’m going to guess you’re one of them if you’re not just some lost Windows refugee kid.
You can’t fix a broken design and also maintain backwards compatibility.
Wayland creates and implements a new design, so yes things will need to be changed to work with it
Yes, you can. Seriously, people act like Xorg is some immutable black box no one can touch. IT’S FREE (AS IN FREEDOM) SOFTWARE. FIX IT. Put in security gates with permissions for its security issues. And hell, it seems to work a lot better with different monitor and resolution configurations than Wayland can because everyone has to re-implement every damn thing from scratch because Wayland is a lazy, over-simplified library that basically tells everyone else “do your own damn work”.
Wayland is trash and the fact that we are fourteen years into its life (YES, FOURTEEN) and still can’t get it working right is a good indication that we need to abandon it.
lol, I don’t get why people keep using this argument…
All of these developers, companies, toolkits, DEs and various other projects have decided that it’s easier to literally rewrite the entire Linux desktop than to continue hacking Xorg.
In fact they don’t want to touch Xorg so much that they’re willing to spend 14 years (and counting) replacing it.
And you see this as indication that Wayland is trash?
Go right ahead. Start by adding per monitor refresh rate.
Every time I’ve used multimonitor in the past (I hate it, why the hell does anyone want to look back and forth between a bunch of monitors and get a pain in their neck when alt-tab and proper window management on a single monitor works far and away better), it just seemed to work in Xorg. I don’t think people know what Xorg is really capable of and are making excuses why this new Wayland trash needs to be used.
Because that’s all it is. Excuses to use something new and shiny and exciting. This whole movement of “we have something new” has forced so many projects into supporting it by giving them basically no choice. “This is the future, if you’re not with us you’re against us” mentality holding them hostage and forcing them to adapt. It’s pathetic.
I take from that that you are ready to volunteer to do this?
I love when people who have no idea how Free software (or, you know, software in general) works have this idea that people who find bugs and report problems are somehow the same people who develop the software.
Stick to Windows, bud.
Oh, I get it.
You agree that there are issues about it, you demand that people fox them for you, but if you don’t like the solution, you go on rants on social media for people to implement your solution despite everyone working on the problem telling you it’s a bad idea.
Hmm, entitled much?
Go back to Windows, kid. There is a division between people who report problems and people who work on projects, and some people who report problems even work on separate projects themselves, myself included. But there is a particular skillset to doing low level desktop development a simple application developer like myself does not have, and we pass on our own experiences with bug reports and other things to those who do have them.
Except in the case of Wayland, whose developers seem to have this “WORKS ON MY MACHINE, YOU SUCK, SHUT UP” mentality. So I’m going to guess you’re one of them if you’re not just some lost Windows refugee kid.
Wayland’s a lost cause. Get over it.