I noticed today an occurence of a user complaining about Lemmy being worse then Reddit. The modlogs shows how toxic they are. When this was pointed out, the user deletes their account

https://web.archive.org/web/20241217101003/https://sopuli.xyz/post/20276017?scrollToComments=true

Deleted account: https://kbin.melroy.org/u/Pyrin

This seems to address the question that comes up once in a while “a public modlog is only useful for mods” (https://feddit.org/post/4920887/3235141), while we can see from this example that it can also be useful for toxic users.

As you may know, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is a community dedicated to calling out power tripping mods.

Should we consider having a similar community for toxic users?

There is already !fediverselore@lemmy.ca, but I feel like the “lore” is more about large-scale events (like the cats wave recently) than specific users events.

Edit: Updated the title, and put the emphasis on creating a community to call out toxic users rather than “dunking” on the users that was banned.

  • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
    1·
    5 days ago

    Just in general, it’s considered more polite Netiquete to make a comment explaining why the content was not deemed acceptable to you

    Well, that’s usually where I clash with people, because I add a comment a lot of the times under a comment or thread that I downvote. It’s a bit of a juxtaposition when you’re faced with repercussions for not agreeing with the “hivemind” or bubble or whatever.

    As for why: how would you feel in return if like 50 people simply downvoted your comment here, while offering zero explanation about why they did that?

    This already happens every day to week depending on the news cycle and what weird shit people here are cheering for next. As for how I feel? I don’t really care, or rather at this point, knowing this platform, I just feel justified when a comment calling out things like Hamas cock sucking getting downvoted, because I know full well that its all the people who feel addressed by that comment.

    And to draw a parallel to the modlog, as a user, you don’t even know what happens to your comments or bans, unless you specifically look for it, and even then you can’t tell why things happened as they happened.

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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      5 days ago

      It’s a bit of a juxtaposition when you’re faced with repercussions for not agreeing with the “hivemind” or bubble or whatever.

      Believe me, I KNOW that feeling - I have made posts that are among some of the most heavily-downvoted in an entire community’s history:-).

      Yeah in that case, downvoting AND commenting is fine. I didn’t want to be too long-winded (although I did type up a MUCH longer reply, but then I deleted it all in favor of the above simplicity:-), but definitely there are cases where downvoting is appropriate: e.g. what about polls that say like “upvote if you agree, downvote if you disagree” - voting is mere participation there, not a sign of unfriendliness? And in Reddit there were certain communities where the voting metrics were SUPPOSED to be flipped from the norm.

      In general many downvotes means that you might not be a “fit” for what the community is trying to do? I dunno.

      because I know full well that its all the people who feel addressed by that comment.

      Not necessarily - some people may even agree with you, but not like the language (especially more puritanical folks), or some may prioritize the process over content, like react to your tone over your statement, or whatever.

      as a user, you don’t even know what happens to your comments or bans, unless you specifically look for it

      But that’s what I am trying to tell you: perhaps it is that way on Mbin, but it has not been that way for people on Lemmy for months now. Well, tbf it is for those on Lemmy.World that is still running 0.19.3. This information is now ONE SINGLE CLICK AWAY when you are at the comment. I’ll try to see if I can dig up an example, though it will come from one of my Lemmy alts.

      Anyway, do as you want, I guess I was saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but I don’t want to actually tell you what to do, just provide that as a thought so that you don’t feel so powerless: YOU can control what OTHERS think, to some degree, by altering HOW you state something. It’s a thought to consider anyway (e.g., did I just encourage you to think that, by stating it like that?:-).

      • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
        2·
        5 days ago

        But that’s what I am trying to tell you: perhaps it is that way on Mbin, but it has not been that way for people on Lemmy for months now.

        So you get a notification now if a comment of yours gets removed, or if you get banned in a community?

        do as you want, I guess I was saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar,

        It’s not like I can’t be nice. I am nice the majority of times. If I’m not, it’s usually because of the comment I’m replying to. I’m not gonna kiss people’s ass if they hold disgusting opinions and I won’t stop speaking out against that either. If that makes me unpopular here, so be it. I just wish there was more things on here that wasn’t this political extremism so that I could spend more time on that instead.

        As for altering peoples opinions… I don’t see the point anymore. I tried this for many years. Now that we’re almost certainly going to face a climate collapse and all its repercussions for humanity I really don’t see the point. Extremism will rise even further with all the challenges that will arise in the near future. Me wasting time and energy on trying to get people to be nicer on some fringe internet platform is not going to change that.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          I’m still trying to figure out the other comment - I wrote out a long one but it won’t let me send it, and anyway people don’t want to read that much. So just responding to this one here:

          DON’T do that. You are better than this. Nobody “makes” you do anything.

          Also, you lead by example, not by arguing at people.

          A few days ago I took a break from social media. It was… much more difficult than I expected, even for just one day. That dopamine addiction is real yo. Be careful. When I say that you might want to take a break, I don’t mean that bc I actively want to shame you or whatever, but bc I legitimately think it may help. When you return, you will have a different focus - it will be fun again. Make sure to do something else in the meantime, like read books, touch grass, converse more with people irl. You won’t regret it - at least, I never do whenever I’ve tried. Use social media - don’t let it use you.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      1·
      5 days ago

      Example: being at the post you want to look up (you can still search the modlog the old way too, though this is a new short-cut), click the hamburger menu and you can see either the user’s or the individual post’s full moderation history:

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      and then this is the result for that one, so note that it’s the full history, not just the latest action or current status whatever:

      img2

      So I mean, yeah, you do have to click once if you are interested, but you don’t have to do all the convoluted filtering in order to find it, as you used to.

      Here’s a second example for you - you see that it is removed, and let’s say that you desire to know why:

      img3

      I guess it’s 2 clicks b/c first the hamburger menu, then scroll to the last option, but after those 2 clicks, here’s what you see - the answer that you wanted to know!?:

      img4

      I don’t know the rules of that community, but the mod claims that you violated multiple of them, plus used abusive language in particular - e.g. not stating “I disagree with your thoughts” but calling someone “a dumb baby” specifically.

      Again, you can do whatever you want… but so too can mods, and that’s a tough thing that they have to do btw, to enforce the rules that their community wants and demands that someone do for them. Start up your own community if you wish, and then you can be your own mod, but then people will end up disagreeing with you and you will experience first-hand what it is like to be in that moderator position: it is not always, nor even usually, fun - it’s WORK, and most people (the kind with a conscience) feel that it’s a heavy burden (though some do abuse their role, I definitely concede that point as well).