One of the challenges when it comes to switching gaming setups from the Windows world to Linux, is fully-featured hardware support.
The Xbox Wireless Headset + official dongle does a decent job with a lot of bang for the buck. However, It’s not (yet) supported by XONE or any other driver. I can connect it via bluetooth, but then it just sounds dull - no surprise!
That’s why I’m now looking for a new headset which is approved by the community. It must offer decent (surround-)sound in games.
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I don’t get it. Aren’t there supposed to be standards for this? I would expect any random headset to plug into the headset and microphone ports and Just Work, and ditto for USB or Bluetooth headsets that report themselves as the appropriate device class.
I would expect any random headset to plug into the headset and microphone ports and Just Work, and ditto for USB
For the most part these days, they do. But OP asked about wireless.
or Bluetooth headsets that report themselves as the appropriate device class.
The problem with Bluetooth is not the operating system or drivers, but Bluetooth itself. The spec famously lacks provisions for good quality stereo output with good quality input at the same time. This is why many wireless headsets use a (non-Bluetooth) dongle.
Audio isn’t always straightforward on Linux.
@ObviouslyNotBanana @grue it’s much better now than when people were using jack incantations and trying to figure a whole host of stuff out, which in most cases was hardware specific and very esoteric, needless to speak of people chasing lowlatency setups, in so many weird directions that afew people actually came up with kernel patches to apparently make the whole thing have 0 xruns. Yeah, absolutely weird, better that this doesn’t happen anymore hopefully
Yep. It is much better now.
True, but even still the weirdness is more about getting audio routed to and from the right devices, not about getting the devices themselves to work correctly in terms of drivers.
Tell that to my USB sound card lol
But yeah, most of the time it’s very fixable.
A few of things I’d look out for:
- Bluetooth protocol. Many Bluetooth headsets switch to a low-bandwidth but full-duplex mode when used as a headset. As a result you can hear and be heard at the same time, but at abysmal quality. Think old phone. You want a headset that supports at least AptX, which supports full-duplex communication at reasonable bandwidth and thus quality.
- Spatial audio. Don’t bother! It’s a non-issue that you can replicate in software, with the help of pipewire. I wouldn’t spend money on it.
- I’d stay away from proprietary 2.4GHz connectors and stick with plain Bluetooth, as that doesn’t require a specialised driver that possibly requires support from the vendor.
What I usually do is set the headset to act as speaker only and use either my laptop microphone or webcam mic as input. That way I get the higher quality for the output at least. Still annoying and not optimal though.
I’m not sure AptX is capable enough. In LowLatency mode, it may sound dull again. But higher bitrates come with too much latency.
I guess LLAC would be the codec to go, but I lack the experience with it.
Good to know. Thanks for the heads up. I’m still on the tether.
a headset that supports at least AptX, which supports full-duplex communication at reasonable bandwidth and thus quality
Specifically, I think you mean AptX Low Latency. FastStream can reportedly do this as well. Both are nonstandard extensions to Bluetooth, so we have to look for them as features rather than assuming they’ll be present.
Maybe. Every time I’ve looked into this so far I found it confusing enough to just go with a cable.
Since pipewire is the default in Nobara (I recently started with it), I hope I don’t need to care too much about it (fingers crossed!). What I want to achieve is a realistic feeling of the room accoustics in games. I recently noticed that in Cyberpunk 2077 (windows, with the xbox headset): I could close my eyes and still tell where I am in the game.
@n3cr0 ahh, I guess that’s more or less normal hrtf, which any respectable audiogame can replicate
Exactly. You set up the virtual sink for 5.1 output and make pipewire convolute the signal with a suitable impulse response to turn it into a stereo signal that sounds like it’s coming from the correct direction. And yes, most games will output surround sound, given the option.
@Chais do games actually output 5.1 nowadays? Most of those I know use libraries like steamaudio, which simulates it using in-app hrtf, mixing the signal on its own
At least I can play games and get directional audio. Beyond that I care little how they achieve it.
It depends on the game. I have 5.1 speakers on my computer and can hear things behind me in some games, but not others.
I’d rather go with proprietary 2.4 GHz than only Bluetooth. Especially because many 2.4 GHz devices have Bluetooth additionally.
To me, Bluetooth has too many latency and quality problems if used for a long time or gaming. It’s one reason I’m still sticking to headphones with external DAC on my pc.
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I was pleasantly surprised to find that chatmix worked properly with my arctis 7s USB receiver.
I love my steelseries arctis. Works great in Linux, no weird software required.
I have a pair of Sony WH-H900N and they work fine over bluetooth. I use it for Hunt Showdown, in which hearing your enemy is very important. I can tell pretty easily which way another player is, what they’re stepping on, if they’re running or walking, if they’re above or below, etc.
The build quality however is not very good, it always starts in noise canceling mode which I don’t want, and recently it has started to try to deafen me by playing a loud buzzing noise at max volume. I’m careful now not to put them on before turning them on.
I’ve been looking at a pair of SteelSeries Arctis Nova Pro Wireless to replace them but I can’t justify the purchase right now.
I use the “barracuda X” it’s black no RGB. It has both Bluetooth and low latency wireless.
I use it mainly in Windows (work/gaming) and PS5 (gaming).
In Linux I used it for gaming too. The only difference is that sometimes the gain in the drivers is very high. But I think it could be my problem (for messing with the drivers in the past months) maybe I need a clean install.
Is there a reason why you chose the smaller X version over the default Barracuda? Was it just the price or did you expect any issues?
I can’t remember well. But: price in the X was good enough for me like 100€ maybe a bit less.
And secondly. The detachable microphone that can be located close to the mouth. That was a deal breaker for me because I use the headset to work (Microsoft teams) and play with friends (Warzone). And I like my voice to be as clear as possible. Especially if I have the windows open and some background noise.
So in short. I prefer unidirectional microphones that point to your mouth and if they are closer (so the gain doesn’t need to be high), better.
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