Hello there!

It has been a while since our last update, but it’s about time to address the elephant in the room: downtimes. Lemmy.World has been having multiple downtimes a day for quite a while now. And we want to take the time to address some of the concerns and misconceptions that have been spread in chatrooms, memes and various comments in Lemmy communities.

So let’s go over some of these misconceptions together.

“Lemmy.World is too big and that is bad for the fediverse”.

While one thing is true, we are the biggest Lemmy instance, we are far from the biggest in the Fediverse. If you want actual numbers you can have a look here: https://fedidb.org/network

The entire Lemmy fediverse is still in its infancy and even though we don’t like to compare ourselves to Reddit it gives you something comparable. The entire amount of Lemmy users on all instances combined is currently 444,876 which is still nothing compared to a medium sized subreddit. There are some points that can be made that it is better to spread the load of users and communities across other instances, but let us make it clear that this is not a technical problem.

And even in a decentralised system, there will always be bigger and smaller blocks within; such would be the nature of any platform looking to be shaped by its members. 

“Lemmy.World should close down registrations”

Lemmy.World is being linked in a number of Reddit subreddits and in Lemmy apps. Imagine if new users land here and they have no way to sign up. We have to assume that most new users have no information on how the Fediverse works and making them read a full page of what’s what would scare a lot of those people off. They probably wouldn’t even take the time to read why registrations would be closed, move on and not join the Fediverse at all. What we want to do, however, is inform the users before they sign up, without closing registrations. The option is already built into Lemmy but only available on Lemmy.ml - so a ticket was created with the development team to make these available to other instance Admins. Here is the post on Lemmy Github.

Which brings us to the third point:

“Lemmy.World can not handle the load, that’s why the server is down all the time”

This is simply not true. There are no financial issues to upgrade the hardware, should that be required; but that is not the solution to this problem.

The problem is that for a couple of hours every day we are under a DDOS attack. It’s a never-ending game of whack-a-mole where we close one attack vector and they’ll start using another one. Without going too much into detail and expose too much, there are some very ‘expensive’ sql queries in Lemmy - actions or features that take up seconds instead of milliseconds to execute. And by by executing them by the thousand a minute you can overload the database server.

So who is attacking us? One thing that is clear is that those responsible of these attacks know the ins and outs of Lemmy. They know which database requests are the most taxing and they are always quick to find another as soon as we close one off. That’s one of the only things we know for sure about our attackers. Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.  

“Why do they need another sysop who works for free”

Everyone involved with LW works as a volunteer. The money that is donated goes to operational costs only - so hardware and infrastructure. And while we understand that working as a volunteer is not for everyone, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. As a volunteer you decide how much of your free time you are willing to spend on this project, a service that is also being provided for free.

We will leave this thread pinned locally for a while and we will try to reply to genuine questions or concerns as soon as we can.

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    1 year ago

    I couldnt care less. You provide a great forum at no charge to me. I thank yoy for your contribution to discourse, communication with the community, and look forward to the growth of lemmy.world

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      1 year ago

      I’m with you. When LW is down, I just take that as a sign to go outside for a bit or do something else. The entitlement people are showing is so annoying. Lemmy is not some kind of vital infrastructure.

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    1 year ago

    Reddit was down a lot too, and they stuck ads in my face. It’s not like I have a pacemaker that needs Lenny.world to be up in order to function. Keep up the good work and I hope whoever is behind the attacks steps on a Lego.

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      1 year ago

      Speed, but Sandra Bullocksies plays a Lemmy admin stuck in a trolley going full steam ahead, except there’s a fork coming up on the railtrack to which /u/spez is tied and it’s Keanu developing the fork

      I think there’s potential for a biopic

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    1 year ago

    Thanks for being so transparent with us. Lemmy really does feel like home now to me. I wish the maintainers all the best as they continue to fight the forces of evil.

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    1 year ago

    A fantastic job is being done by you folks - obviously in the face of adversity. Given the amount of users on the instance is at a critical point, would it not be possible to ‘move’ accounts off it onto other less populated instances ?

    Keep up the great work folks - I sympathise for ya.

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      the amount of users on the instance is at a critical point

      The thing is, it’s not. The admins are literally saying that lemmy.world is not down because “it can’t handle the load”. It actually can handle the load, the hardware is pretty badass and it has the most resources out of all instances currently thanks to the donations. It’s down because of one guy or group DDOSing this instance, normal user activity is not what’s overloading the database.

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    I’m imagining spez is sending his flying monkeys and they’ve been trying to shut it all down. Doesn’t matter that you’re smaller than Reddit, Egos like spez’s can’t take even a minor rumble. Just look at how he has to ‘win’ against all his own users. Should tell you all you need to know on his motives.

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      1 year ago

      as much as I wanna jump on the spez evil train, I think a more likely trail is that kid who got banned for community squatting, he found that they automated away his ability to just spam create dumb communities so now he’s likely just paying someone to DDoS the platform. He has a youtube channel, it’s really sad. All his videos are worthless acts like “hacking” (more like exploiting) websites that he thinks are popular/makes views. He even has a video on how to speedrun getting monetized on youtube in the event that your channel gets banned/demonetized. It’s super shitty.

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          I think one of his accounts was LMAO@lemmy.world, basically he got banned for community squatting and then due to it vowed to ruin the platform, his first attempt was spamming a bunch of long domains, but that got automated out as someone released a tool that allowed you to give a token and a username and it just nuked every community that person owned. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was the same guy.

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    1 year ago

    Thanks for the transparency and the update! Downtime to me is useful, it prevents me from using Lemmy too much.

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    1 year ago

    Thank you for your time & efforts in maintaining this platform. I (and many others I’m sure) have great respect for the work you do in trying to combat this menace. The community is completely behind you and appreciates the value of this resource.