• helenslunch@feddit.nl
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    11 months ago

    Despite that, the Ranger’s bed is 20 inches longer than the Maverick’s.

    Because they have 4 doors. That’s not part of any CAFE standard.

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      11 months ago

      The reason they don’t make a 2-door version is because the shorter length of a 2-door would tighten the CAFE standards, and it would not be able to comply.

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          11 months ago

          All other things being equal, the smaller vehicle will have better economy than the larger. So the more relevant observation is “it doesn’t have to be longer”. There is no engineering reason why the Maverick has to be bigger than the Ranger, and it would be more economical if it weren’t. It is bigger only to satisfy regulatory compliance.

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            10 months ago

            You misunderstood my statement. There is no CAFE regulation that requires vehicles to have 4 doors. The bed is shorter because it has 4 doors. Because that is what consumers want. Not because the law requires it.

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              10 months ago

              I understood you perfectly. Don’t conflate “rejection of your argument” with “lack comprehension”.

              You would have a valid point if they made a 2-door variant, even if that 2-door variant came with a bed 6" longer than the Ranger’s bed. But they don’t. You would have a point if used 2-door Rangers were valued substantially less than 4-door models. But they aren’t.

              There is no justification for your claim that “consumer demand” is even a significant factor, let alone the primary reason why the “compact” Maverick has a “full size” length.

              The reason that their “compact” truck today is the size of a full-size from the 1990s (and why their full-size F-150 today is so much larger than one from the 1990s) is CAFE standards. Even though the Maverick would have better economy, less emissions, greater range, a better MPG rating with a Ranger-sized body, it would not meet the tighter restrictions that a vehicle with a Ranger-sized body would have to meet under CAFE.

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                10 months ago

                The reason that their “compact” truck today is the size of a full-size from the 1990s (and why their full-size F-150 today is so much larger than one from the 1990s) is CAFE standards

                You keep repeating this and I keep telling you that there are no regulations around the number of doors.

                I’m tired of repeating myself. Goodbye now.

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                  10 months ago

                  The quote you selected doesn’t mention doors at all. The number of doors is irrelevant. The relevant factor is the size. The overall length of the truck and the overall width of the truck had to be substantially more than the Ranger. CAFE standards prohibit a Ranger-sized truck with the Maverick’s fuel economy.

                  Ford used an extra row of seats to achieve the length they needed to reach.

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                    10 months ago

                    The quote you selected doesn’t mention doors at all.

                    That’s because you’re deliberately ignoring it.

                    The number of doors is irrelevant.

                    It’s not. The number of doors is why the bed is small and the length is long, not CAFE standards.

                    We’ve already been over this.

                    CAFE standards prohibit a Ranger-sized truck with the Maverick’s fuel economy.

                    The Maverick gets about the same fuel economy as a Toyota Prius so no, it doesn’t.