You can’t say “Hamas are terrorists and Israel isn’t committing genocide” without 3-6 days of some nerd calling you a Nazi, which means your average joe has no interest in being here, because that’s the opinion of the majority of people and the majority of people are not, in fact, nazis.
Posted the bigot using the device created and coded by nerds. Do you fail to realize that “nerd” is what idiots call the smart kids? Of course you do.
Read the room. The pro-Palestinian are not fringe, and not nerds. And the majority just doesn’t care one way or another. Your positions are not based on reality. You’re the idealist.
Not fringe. Minority, maybe, I never pretended otherwise.
The states that voted against Israel at the UN vote are not led by youthful idealists, are they? Or did you confuse the anglosphere with the whole world again, as if the opinions of most of the world didn’t matter?
For the record, I didn’t call you a nazi. I’m not following you around Lemmy. I have better things to do with my life.
The states that voted against Israel at the UN vote are not led by youthful idealists, are they?
No, they’re a block of authoritarian and Muslim countries, primarily. How shocking.
The UN, it cannot be stressed enough, has a 1 country 1 vote policy, which directly benefits these theocratic and totalitarian states.
For the record, I didn’t call you a nazi. I’m not following you around Lemmy. I have better things to do with my life.
I never said you did. Disagreement is fine. Disagreement is where we test our biases and priors. We don’t have to agree on everything. There’s a difference between disagreement and harassment.
You’re moving the goalposts. You said supporting Palestine was idealist and fringe, and I proved it wasn’t. Muslim countries have tangible reasons to oppose Israel, good or bad.
If you want to talk about pro-Palestine sentiment in the West and more particularly in the Anglosphere, we can, but we need to clearly define what we mean by “pro-Palestinian sentiment”
Not the guy you’re having a pointless argument with but my experience of all is that I see a fuck ton more German/Scandinavian/indian posts than I do Anglosphere.
Calling the 153 countries who voted in favour of a ceasefire, including Finland, Canada, Australia, Japan, Norway, Belgium, Sweden or Switzerland, a “block of authoritarian and Muslim countries primarily” is a bold claim. Here is the list of the 10 countries who voted against – for fun I’ve included their latest score on the Democracy Index, on a scale from 0 to 10 where 10 is the most democratic –: Austria (8,2), Czech Republic (7,9), Guatemala (4,6), Israel (7,9), Liberia (5,4), Micronesia (no data), Nauru (no data), Papua New Guinea (6,5), Paraguay (6,1), United States of America (8,2).
Please link to where you spoke about People suggesting that you are equating hamas with Palestinian? Oh, what’s that, you can’t because you wish to argue against something no one said instead? Poor little one, would you like some ice for that fail?
I strongly suggest you re-read this comment thread and realize that it is not a News thread about Israel but rather a thread about how people here respond to takes they disagree with.
Because you’re the perfect example of what I’m talking about, and to grow this community (which the greater thread is explicitly about), you should be removed from it until you can fix yourself.
But they are committing genocide. Opinion is irrelevant against facts: they are trying to expell the palestinian population from Gaza, they even said it out loud two days ago. This and the fact that Hamas have committed terrorist acts are two facts that can coexist in the world.
Opinion is irrelevant against facts: they are trying to expell the palestinian population from Gaza
This is not accurate, as easily understood by how poorly they would be accomplishing this objective, were it true. They have absolute military superiority and it would be easy for them to achieve that goal.
they even said it out loud two days ago.
This is not accurate. Some random guy that works for the government, saying something which may or may not translate accurately (see the thread here on lemmy for that discussion), is not significant. MTG, a sitting US Representative, talking about Jewish Space Lasers is also not significant, for similar reasons.
These misconceptions, even if they were true, do not excuse supporting Hamas.
So two ministers of the actual israelian governement are now “two random dudes”.
These misconceptions indeed do not excuse supporting Hamas, which is why I said demanding a ceasefire and an investigation into a potential genocide and denouncing Hamas’ terrorist acts aren’t exclusive positions.
You can’t say “Hamas are terrorists and Israel isn’t committing genocide” without 3-6 days of some nerd calling you a Nazi, which means your average joe has no interest in being here, because that’s the opinion of the majority of people and the majority of people are not, in fact, nazis.
Took less than 2 hours lol
Read the room. The pro-Palestinian are not fringe, and not nerds. And the majority just doesn’t care one way or another. Your positions are not based on reality. You’re the idealist.
In real life, yes they are.
Anyone who stalks your posts to call you a Nazi when they never get a rise out of you is absolutely a fucking nerd and a half lol
Facts:
https://time.com/6050422/pro-palestinian-support/
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/16/israel-palestine-quinnipiac-poll-00127726
https://www.vox.com/2014/7/29/5948255/israel-world-opinion
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/middleeast/israel-mood-gaza-war-intl-cmd/index.html
Not fringe. Minority, maybe, I never pretended otherwise.
The states that voted against Israel at the UN vote are not led by youthful idealists, are they? Or did you confuse the anglosphere with the whole world again, as if the opinions of most of the world didn’t matter?
For the record, I didn’t call you a nazi. I’m not following you around Lemmy. I have better things to do with my life.
No, they’re a block of authoritarian and Muslim countries, primarily. How shocking.
The UN, it cannot be stressed enough, has a 1 country 1 vote policy, which directly benefits these theocratic and totalitarian states.
I never said you did. Disagreement is fine. Disagreement is where we test our biases and priors. We don’t have to agree on everything. There’s a difference between disagreement and harassment.
You’re moving the goalposts. You said supporting Palestine was idealist and fringe, and I proved it wasn’t. Muslim countries have tangible reasons to oppose Israel, good or bad.
If you want to talk about pro-Palestine sentiment in the West and more particularly in the Anglosphere, we can, but we need to clearly define what we mean by “pro-Palestinian sentiment”
Is it your belief that Lemmy is not predominantly inhabited by Western/Anglosphere people?
Not the guy you’re having a pointless argument with but my experience of all is that I see a fuck ton more German/Scandinavian/indian posts than I do Anglosphere.
On lemmy.world? That’s fascinating to me. Would you mind sharing some community names?
Calling the 153 countries who voted in favour of a ceasefire, including Finland, Canada, Australia, Japan, Norway, Belgium, Sweden or Switzerland, a “block of authoritarian and Muslim countries primarily” is a bold claim. Here is the list of the 10 countries who voted against – for fun I’ve included their latest score on the Democracy Index, on a scale from 0 to 10 where 10 is the most democratic –: Austria (8,2), Czech Republic (7,9), Guatemala (4,6), Israel (7,9), Liberia (5,4), Micronesia (no data), Nauru (no data), Papua New Guinea (6,5), Paraguay (6,1), United States of America (8,2).
The core group against Israel, always, is the Muslim bloc and I was stoned and didn’t click your link.
I own that. My bad dude.
Posted the bigot using the device created and coded by nerds. Do you fail to realize that “nerd” is what idiots call the smart kids? Of course you do.
Oddly, they never mentioned hamas and yet that is what you read. Hmm…
Hey look it’s exactly what I’m talking about
Please link to where you spoke about People suggesting that you are equating hamas with Palestinian? Oh, what’s that, you can’t because you wish to argue against something no one said instead? Poor little one, would you like some ice for that fail?
I strongly suggest you re-read this comment thread and realize that it is not a News thread about Israel but rather a thread about how people here respond to takes they disagree with.
Because you’re the perfect example of what I’m talking about, and to grow this community (which the greater thread is explicitly about), you should be removed from it until you can fix yourself.
But they are committing genocide. Opinion is irrelevant against facts: they are trying to expell the palestinian population from Gaza, they even said it out loud two days ago. This and the fact that Hamas have committed terrorist acts are two facts that can coexist in the world.
This is not accurate, as easily understood by how poorly they would be accomplishing this objective, were it true. They have absolute military superiority and it would be easy for them to achieve that goal.
This is not accurate. Some random guy that works for the government, saying something which may or may not translate accurately (see the thread here on lemmy for that discussion), is not significant. MTG, a sitting US Representative, talking about Jewish Space Lasers is also not significant, for similar reasons.
These misconceptions, even if they were true, do not excuse supporting Hamas.
So two ministers of the actual israelian governement are now “two random dudes”.
These misconceptions indeed do not excuse supporting Hamas, which is why I said demanding a ceasefire and an investigation into a potential genocide and denouncing Hamas’ terrorist acts aren’t exclusive positions.
Yes, just like MYG, a literal representative, is not indicative of US policy.