Article seems pretty flawed. Relevance is a vague metric, and the author relies pretty heavily on data related to government site visitation, which seems subject to bias toward certain types of users.

Market share is likely still incredibly low, but Firefox’s relevance should be spiking right now due to Google’s shenanigans with Chromium. The fact that like 90% of revenue for its for-profit wing is from Google is still troubling.

Any alternative views out there?

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    Really? What’s left of the Internet beyond the web?

    How many people use Usenet today, rather than forums or social media on the web?

    How many people use IRC, rather than Slack? (Either on the web or in a Chromium-backed desktop app)

    How many people use an email client, rather than webmail?

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      Some non-HTTP(S) Internet stuff:

      Email is transferred to its destination (where, sure it might be accessed through a Web UI) via SMTP. Even where things like Slack are used internally, email usage between organisations is still extensive, due to effectively being a federated lowest-common-denominator system that’s not completely at the mercy of a single vendor.

      VoIP, which increasingly underlies telephony/mobile networks, uses things like SIP, RTP and RTCP - even if, again, it might be accessed via a Web UI, it doesn’t have to be, and there are dedicated clients.

      SSH is widely used for remote system administration. SFTP, built on top of SSH, is used to transfer sensitive data, e.g. (in the US) medical records covered by HIPAA.

      SNMP is used for network device management, sometimes doing so via the Internet.

      Don’t confuse certain end-user applications with the Internet more generally.

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        The original comment, was the claim that the internet is doing a lot better than the web.

        In that context, the fact that literally every single one of those services is primarily accessed and managed through the web, makes that claim that the web hasn’t succeeded look a little ridiculous.

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        There never has been a better newsreader than pineapple news. That program alone was reason enough to boot up BeOS, fite me irl.

        IRC? Graphical, in particular, hexchat. Also switch the font to proportional you’re not editing text.

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            IRC has no built-in support for

            And? It’s a chat room, not a forum and emojis are a scourge upon the internet. And you’re certainly more likely to get an answer than on stackoverflow…

            And pineapple news’ UI is from another era. It’s like looking at papyrus when you have Gutenberg’s print.

            It’s BeOS’ default tk, the point is the UX not lack of subpixel font rendering. Windows looked like this back in the days. And no I don’t use it any more, haven’t visited usenet in almost 20 years.

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                There’s better protocols like PSYC, XMPP also supports chat. Never took off, though, because IRC is fine as a protocol: It doesn’t do much, Latin-1/UTF-8 hybrid is nuts, but it works well enough for what people want from it: A water cooler. Go visit libera.chat, it’s exactly what it is. What we got instead is discord, proving that people don’t care about tech but fancy marketing and, allow me to be an old man shouting at internet clouds for a second, zoomers still know it from minecraft. Also presumably you aren’t “professional” if you don’t require an email address, the young’uns learned that from popups on blogspam sites.

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        I know I’m an outlier, but I prefer text mode IRC, then slack, and then all the other shit (telegram, signal, discord, teams, etc) fall way behind. “Everything is a walled-off app” is a horrible way to communicate. I get why these companies do it, and I also even understand the headache over maintaining useful open APIs, but honestly, they drop that ASAP because it doesn’t make them money.

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      I have yet to see a usenet post that was both written by a person and not incredibly batshit insane