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- cross-posted to:
- firefox@lemmy.ml
A great video about the Manifest v3 and how Google is trying to make you view ads.
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Everyone losing their minds over this like Firefox doesn’t exist.
Stop using Chrome.
The reason this is even a big problem is because everyone piled on Google’s browser despite all the obvious reasons that wasn’t gonna be a good idea on the long term.
I never understood why anybody thought a company – whose principal business is advertising and data mining – wouldn’t eventually rug pull everyone like this with their browser as soon as it hit critical mass for market share.
Because there weren’t any great options at the time. Firefox has gotten better, but at that time Chrome was just super fast and lightweight in comparison to all the competitors.
enshitification 101
Firefox exists, but it has its issues, it’s def not so great at memory optimization. It will regularly crash on me once I go beyond around 100 tabs regardless of how much system resources I throw at it (Seriously, it did the same thing on a 4 socket server with 512GBs RAM)
And starts getting sluggish when I even start approaching it. Chrome otoh, reserves a lot of RAM for itself, but at least it can manage it well into the hundreds of tabs I throw at it
Forgive me, but if there ever was a niche scenario this is it.
Whyy
You’re the kind of user software developers dread.
Since you are sharing anecdotes, let me join.
For me FF has always been extremely stable, and I too regularly keep 100+ tabs open, on much more limited system resources. It is so stable that I’ve completely disabled history saving, and if there is something I want to read later I just keep the tab open. Never had an issue.
Tree Style Tabs also pushed me to have many tabs, because now I can actually organize those that I’ve opened and find them later.
I have the opposite experience. I easily can have as many tabs at times and I’ve seen chrome use over 10gb of ram and fully lock at times. I switched to Firefox for that reason and others and it performs much better with that many tabs open. Most ram I’ve seen it using is about 6gb. Minimal and equivalent plugins in both. I’ve never had firefox crash. This across multiple computers. I now have uninstalled chrome everywhere…
Please leave this conversation, because you’re probably the only user who goes over 100 tabs. Normal people have about 10 open just for your reference
get firefox and ublock origin.
its so fucking simple, why do people have such weird attachment to chrome??
Agreed on using Firefox/LibreWolf and uBlock Origin, I love that combination. I think the thing is that Google Chrome is much faster than Firefox on Android phones (I don’t mind, I hardly ever use mobile to browse), and long time habits can be hard to break for some people.
Google Chrome is much faster than Firefox on Android phones
Not with the ads (Firefox Android has uBlock).
We are in the middle of rolling out a new SaaS solution at work that just works better in Edge. The amount of outrageous levels of anger and disgust we get from telling them to use Edge is stupid. Even telling users it is built on Chromium, just like Chrome, does nothing to dissuade their unfounded anger.
With some people it actually comes down to telling them, “if you don’t use Edge, then I guess you need to start looking for another job that only uses Chrome”.
I just don’t get it.
Edge can go fucking die, MS has lost all trust with me when it comes to them and Internet Browsers, I rip edge out of all my systems no matter what it might “break”.
Maybe you should deploy solutions that are browser agnostic. That kind of shit is how we ended up with IE and its proprietary BS like ActiveX years ago. Clearly, people are forgetting history
lol like management gives two shits about how browser agnostic a product is. business solutions look to address the perceived gap or need, not tailor to IT personnel feelings.
That’s easy, just find [Some important person] who can’t live without [Chrome/Firefox/Whatever] and bring them to your side lmao
Either way, it didn’t sound like he was saying “I tried to push for better, but management shut me down” it sounded like he was happy to move to edge and “couldn’t understand why people were angry”
For better and worse, most people don’t care what’s under the hood. They care about the surface features. I.e. Chrome already has their bookmarks, the buttons are all in the same place, etc.
You and I know there’s little difference but end users don’t want to change, even if it’s to something that would benefit them in the long run (i.e. Firefox)
I wish firefox would just add tab-groups back like chrome has or literally any chrome based browser… Ive tried literally every tab extension in the store and w/e I could find on Github but they all aren’t to my liking. They basically all use a side bar. I just want to slide my 100 tabs of manga and obscure programming blogs out of sight lol other than that, firefox is pretty much better in most ways.
Windows group tabs. Just open a new window for each task of tabs.
This is still working https://medium.com/@Morikko/the-story-of-sync-tab-groups-the-web-extension-for-managing-your-tabs-d40ebb1079ec if you can find a place to download it.
Does Firefox multi-account-containers work for you? Not on a desktop atm. but maybe you still need to have separate windows for that…
Anyways I’d still highly recommended the extension!
Simple Tab Groups
Have you tried one of the panorama plugins? It’s not quite the same but it works for me.
Sidebery does a pretty good job of managing tab groups from a sidebar, although it’s much less ad-hoc
And google will kill its self
Nah, they know what they’re doing.
Wishful thinking on my part tbh, I forget that there is an ecosystem with gmail :/
I think the same, obviously Google don’t know the Cobra Effect
Good think I don’t use chrome.
Great minds thing alike.
I’m interested but I’m not watching 30 minutes of video…
The person in the video talks so slowly I can listen to it at 1.5x speed. I feel like a jerk because it’s clearly not their first language and I can only imagine how difficult that can be but at 1x speed it’s a seriously slow video.
To my understanding this is a more in-depth breakdown of how and why browser extensions will not be able to intercept the webpage before the browser displays it and instead it will be executed via scripts on the browser itself. Google claims this is to speed up the process, improve security, and reduce computational power and it does seem to do that but at the expense of the freedom of the browser extensions to alter the web pages being displayed.
Thank you. Sounds like the typical reasons to remove freedom from the users. :)
No problems with the inbuild adblocker in Vivaldi, not even in YouTube (without any ads for me), problems only for Chromiums in which are remaining control and tracking APIs from Google and which are only can use “descaffeinated” Adblockers from the Chrome Store. I can use even direct userscripts in Vivaldi if needed, without the need of Tamper-, Greasy- or Violentmonkey extensions. Vivaldi is a Chromium browser, but Google for the past 9 years has hit its teeth on a rock in attempts to control it.
I was a Vivaldi user, like you, until I used Floorp and now I’m a crack addict.
Floorp is a nice Browser. Apart of Vivaldi, I use also the Mullvad Browser and the SSuite Netsurf for some tasks, before I also had the Midory Browser (almost identical to Floorp) and almost all others which are exist or existed in the past. But Vivaldi remain my main browser since 8 years.
We will kill chrome
I doubt it. Normies love chrome, and the majority of normies don’t even know about ad blockers. Chrome will continue unfortunately
Are you using chrome? 🫤
Nope, I use Firefox
Please, people… just switch to Ultron. (Make sure to update your Adobe Reader).
Who uses chrome anyway even there’s vivaldi
Choose a Firefox-based browser instead for open source.
why are people that allergic to firefox?
vivaldi is chrome with extra steps
To paraphrase ’ a Chrome by any other name would smell as sweet’
Who uses vivaldi anyway even there’s firefox
I just can’t use a browser so… primitive? I wold gladly change to Firefox if it gave me all the customisation options Vivaldi has. Mouse gestures, synchronising my settings across 2 PCs and an android phone, shortcuts to different searchers etc. Plus it would need to be visually customisable so od doesn’t irritate me every couple of minutes.
Mouse gestures, synchronising my settings across 2 PCs and an android phone, shortcuts to different searchers etc. Plus it would need to be visually customisable
It sounds like perhaps you haven’t looked into Firefox for a while, because out of the box it does all of the things you listed, except for gestures. There are multiple popular plugins that provide Firefox gestures easily. I’m not sure what visual customizations you’re referring to, but Firefox also has had support for themes for ages now.
except for gestures
2 finger swipe to the left or right is the gesture to go back and forward, don’t know what other gestures you’d need.
The “cradle” for going forward and backwards plus swipes for closing a tab, refreshing and opening a new tab.
I don’t care for themes, just need night mode. I need the option to throw out any taskbars except fot tabs and address bar. Including any search window. I need a zoom slider at the bottom right corner, and this is a must. It’s also nice to have these things built in instead of looking for extensions. And You are right, o haven’t looked into Firefox for a long time.
All browser companies monetise you to some extent. Even Firefox does this a bit (Paid deals make Google is the default search, and Amazon search is also paid to be included as a link for example).
However the big difference is the private companies like Vivaldi, Brave etc monetise your data more and less transparently, plus the entire Chromium ecosystem is basically under Google’s control. Manifest 3 will not be restricted to Chrome, it is being built into the Chromium project and will end up in Chrome, Microsoft Edge, Vivaldi, Brave etc. Chromium is a trojan horse project, used to push Google’s priorities and objectives across the web, not end users.
The only viable alternative is Firefox based browsers. I use Firefox itself (aware of it’s compromises and using a whole host of extensions), but there are also forks and projects that strip even Firefox’s compromises back - LibreWolf in particular. For all the flaws of the Mozilla foundation, it is transparent on what it does to keep the project going, and the independence of the project compared to chromium is hugely important. Note Firefox is also going to support Manifest V3 (so that extensions can continue to be cross-browser) BUT it is also keeping support for the key APIs that Google is removing (i.e. the ability for extensions to use the block webRequest API which is foundational to current Ad and privacy protection extensions).
Vivaldi is no different to other Chromium based broswers; it uses the exact same Google controlled code base, plus it is doing everything it can to monetise you. You are the product; all these companies are stealing and financially exploiting your data and we’re all just handing it to them on a platter for free and thanking them for fucking us over.
All beautifully preached to the choir. Now: how to communicate all this to the unwashed masses who think the web and the internet and Chrome are all the same thing? Serious question.
Good one. I’d say it is too late already. USA big tech is almost everywhere, and countless people are addicted to USA big tech, especially on their phones, and do not ask critical questions anymore.
Browser Wars!!!
