• atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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    There is a second stage, starting from April 1, 2026, which will apply to laptops and portable computers.

    I hate this type of legislation. Almost zero USB chargers can power a laptop. But politicians don’t know that. So this won’t reduce the number of chargers. Unless they’re requiring all charges support the full PD spec?

    Leave standards to experts.

    Edited: Yes i fucking know many laptops use USB-C power now. You’re not smart in telling me this. I mean that most USB chargers are cheap crap that can’t put out enough power to run a laptop. Not all USB is the same.

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        So - like I know that many laptops charge from USB-C right now. The one I’m typing on does. Why do people seem to think they’re smart in pointing this out?

        So then what’s the point? People will still be buying cheap USB chargers because, well, they’re cheap. And they’ll have the expensive one for their laptop. Problem…solved?

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      I don’t know exactly what the percentage of new laptops that can use USB-C charging is, but it’s a pretty large percentage. My Lenovo Yoga came with a USB-C charger and that’s all it uses for charging. That said, I actually do agree with you that this is not really a problem for laptops and IMHO it’s often a lot easier to fix/replace a broken DC barrel type charging port than a USB port on a laptop because a DC barrel generally just has 2 relatively large solder points. I’m a lot more nervous handling my laptop with a USB-C charging cable attached than I would be with a DC barrel. However, I’m in favor of legislation that reduces the number of proprietary port standards (like Lightning).

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        You people are missing the fucking point. Not all USB-C chargers are the same. It’s just the shape of the connector. There are many power delivery standards and not all will drive your laptop.

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      They’re adopting the standards created by the experts from the USB consortium, which is comprised of all the large electronics manufacturing companies. If they’re not expert enough then who is?

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        The experts know that ‘not all USB-C is the same’. You pick up a $20 USB-C charger from Walgreens you think that’s going to run your nvidia 3080 laptop??

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          Can you currently buy anything that would power a 3080 laptop from Walgreens? Not sure what point you’re trying to make. They’re standardizing the port not the chargers or the cables.

          How can you complain about the government forcing a single standard on us while also complaining that there’s too much variation in the market?

          You also can’t use a $20 USB-C charger to power a refrigerator, but are you upset that they both use the same wall socket?

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            Can you currently buy anything that would power a 3080 laptop from Walgreens? Not sure what point you’re trying to make. They’re standardizing the port not the chargers or the cables.

            This is my point. They haven’t standardized anything but the shape of the plug. It’s a stupid law. USB is NOT a standard. It is many standards. USB-C and do 5V, 9V, 12V, 20V. And USB cables are not all capable of the different voltages and current either.

            So what problem has been solved? There will still be myriad chargers and combinations of things that do and don’t work. The shape of the adapter will just be the same. Groovy.

            You also can’t use a $20 USB-C charger to power a refrigerator, but are you upset that they both use the same wall socket?

            That wall socket puts out a reasonably standard voltage (depending on country) and a reasonably standard amperage.

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              So how is it an improvement to have the same myriad of different charging standards but also multiple different port configurations? Cables are capable of all these voltages but the charging circuitry is not and your USB-PD laptop charger will charge phones and anything else that share the same port. Adding a different port just ensures that you must buy different chargers/cables for each device. It also means that all accessories are useless once a manufacturer changes their proprietary port design.

              I won’t argue that they could do a better job unifying additional standards like power delivery and data transfer speeds, but eliminating useless variations is an improvement regardless of how you want to spin it.

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                So how is it an improvement to have the same myriad of different charging standards but also multiple different port configurations?

                If you think that’s my argument then you, and a dozen or so others, have sorely misunderstood anything I’m saying.

                The purpose for these laws is ostensibly to “reduce e-waste” which is complete BS. And I know it’s BS because practically everyone arguing with me is NOT making that argument. It’s all about personal conveniences which is an abuse of state power and often has unintended consequences.

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      Yes, there are USB-C chargers that are made for smaller devices and can’t charge a notebook. So what? The alternative would be going back to proprietary chargers that can only charge one specific model.

      I have a 100W USB-C-charger in my car, I have one by my bed, one on my couch, one at my desk and one powerbank that can charge my notebook anywhere I go.

      Going back to proprietary chargers would mean if my notebook breaks, I can throw all these chargers in the trash and buy a new set. How would that make anything better?

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        The alternative would be going back to proprietary chargers that can only charge one specific model.

        I realize you’re exaggerating but all you’re doing is standardizing on size and shape of the connector. Not the power standards it supports. If your laptop needs 240W PD 3.0 and your car supports 100W QC3 you’re still out of business. If your laptop uses QC3 but needs 12v and the adapter only supports 9v you’re still out of business.

        USB is not a standard. It is a collection of standards.