This will take place ~24 hours from now. Feel free to post and upvote questions beforehand in this post, as it will turn into the AMA tomorrow.

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This is a chance for any users, admins, or developers to ask anything they’d like to myself, @nutomic@lemmy.ml , SleeplessOne , or @phiresky@lemmy.world about Lemmy, its future, and wider issues about the social media landscape today.

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    11 months ago

    Do you think Lemmy is decentralized enough right now, or are you worried about some of the bigger instances growing too much?

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      The big instances are bad enough but big communities are absolute killer of decentralisation

      When you go to /c/books on your server, you don’t see an agglomeration of all /c/books on all servers of the fediverse. You only see that server’s /c/books, if it even has one.

      This is a fatal flaw of lemmy which concentrates power enormously into the hands of the owners.

      The default view should be all /c/books on all federated servers, with an easy way to filter only local posts.

      Lemmy will turn into reddit if this is not quickly rectified.

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        11 months ago

        When you go to /c/books on your server, you don’t see an agglomeration of all /c/books on all servers of the fediverse. You only see that server’s /c/books, if it even has one.

        What prevents from visiting /c/books@anotherserver?

        Genuinely asking, because this is one of the core concepts of Lemmy and federation

        • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          What point ?

          The point of becoming a moderator that decide what everyone can and can’t say ?

          The point of “making another reddit but I’m /u/spez” ?

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            11 months ago

            The point of me having my own control over my instance. The bad moderator thing will always be a problem.

            • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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              11 months ago

              I don’t see how agglomerating vuew of all same name communities for the user impact you as a server owner ?

              You still have totalitarian control over everything happening on your server.

              You can still

              Delete all post and comments

              Change any text in any post or comment even if made by other users and without their notice

              Ban any user

              Ban any community

              Even ban all users and all communities (whilte only model)

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                11 months ago

                I must’ve read your comment wrong. Sounds like you just want a multi Reddit type feature? I agree that that should be implemented some apps have already did it. I don’t agree that the same word community should be lumped together universally and automatically.

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                  11 months ago

                  No multireddit cannot solve this problem.

                  They are not a default agglomeration view so they will never make a difference as most users never change their defaults.

                  Covered in more details here

                  https://lemmy.ml/comment/7734804

                  A community cannot escape the stranglehold of moderators with a multireddit, because most users will simply not have it the backup community setup in their multireddit. They will never see dissenters posting in the backuos. And that makes multireddit largely useless

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        11 months ago

        I kind of get where you’re coming from, but to me it sounds like you’re looking for a different experience than what Lemmy is designed for. It seems you are more interested in aggergating all posts about specific topics (like “books”), and strongly limiting the effect of moderation (as nobody would have final say about how to moderate an entire topic). If I correctly understood the experience you’re interested in, then for sure the design of Lemmy will not match that.

        I don’t think it’s fair to describe this as a fatal flaw, though. Lemmy is not built around the idea of generic, “ownerless” topics, instead, it’s built around communities with clear owners. We have decentralization at the admin and infrastructure level (as in, a single admin does not control the entire network), but this does not really mean we also need to have it at individual community level.

        IMO it’s totally fine that different people create different communities with extremely similar purposes. The entire internet as a whole also works like this - the internet itself is decentralized, but at the same time people can create different websites with very similar purposes (and even domains!), and it works out fine. For example, it’s totally possible for there to exist a news.com, news.co.uk, news.ee, news.fi, etc. Imagine if whenever you navigated to news.fi with your browser, it would also automatically insert content from all the other news websites of all possible domains - it doesn’t really seem like a useful feature, but that’s kind of analogous to what you’re suggesting for Lemmy at the moment.

        • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          Thst makes lemmy , a reddit with many /u/spez , but in practice it will end up like the actual internet of today, where only 5-10 sites control everything.

          This process is already far along on lemmy, already very centralized and all the incentives are in place to make it even more centralized.

          I expect the settlement of the defederation war, will create 2-3 cliques of the largest servers that each silence the rest of the lemmyverse on their property.

          Give it a little time and they’ll probably make themselves fully private cliques.

      • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works
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        11 months ago

        maybe communities should be able to flag that they’re the same community as one on another server, and if they mutually do so be combined into one metacommunity that people can search for

        • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
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          11 months ago

          If it requires the owner’s consent, it defeats the purposeof my proposal.

          It is expressly to disempower the owners in favour of the users.

      • spaduf@slrpnk.net
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        11 months ago

        I really don’t hate this idea from a lemmy centric UX perspective but how do you handle federation with other platforms?

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          11 months ago

          This isn’t the first time I have proposed this, but the pushback leads me to believe the owners do not want to relinquish power to the users. Lemmy it seems, is a community for owners. The interests of instance owners and their delegates come first.

          I think we will need the digg & reddit story to play out all over again so that in 10-15 years the next exodus out of lemmy might lead us somewhere we can actually be free.

          • nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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            11 months ago

            This isn’t the first time I have proposed this, but the pushback leads me to believe the owners do not want to relinquish power to the users. Lemmy it seems, is a community for owners. The interests of instance owners and their delegates come first.

            That is true because admins pay for the servers and are legally responsible for the content they host. However anyone can quite easily become an admin, the hosting cost for a single user instance is very low.

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      11 months ago

      As someone who is on a medium sized instance, I can say its a little awkward when Lemmy[.]world goes down

    • nutomic@lemmy.mlM
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      11 months ago

      I think its totally normal that instance sizes follow a power law distribution. Its similar to many other things, for example there are few large cities, some medium cities and lots of small cities. The wiki article lists many other examples. So I think its fine as long as there are no intentional attempts to lock in users into large instances or limit federation.