It’s not even “banning tik-tok”. It’s “separate your interests, or we block your product”.
Which isn’t exactly something that we haven’t seen before in the U.S. and it for sure isn’t anything new in China where plenty of services, games…etc are blocked with “Chinese only” versions of those services.
The apps themselves are wildly different. You think it’s a coincidence that this got forced through right before elections? Our gov doesn’t like that they can’t control the narrative there. They also really don’t like how upset tiktok makes the US corporations that fill their pockets. How is that comparable? Unless you think the ban is for security like they’re claiming, which is laughable, because it’s so obviously not.
It’s a ban. They have stated in no uncertain terms that they will not sell or separate any interests. It’s not for our “security” or any of that absolute BS either. It’s for their own profits and because they want people’s data.
The fact that you’d want our media to even remotely resemble the highly sensored versions in China is insane to me. Y’all are just happy to go along with this because you don’t like tiktok. That’s it. That’s all it took for a lot of you. I’d say I expected better but it’s becoming more obvious every day that lemmy is where the old and out of touch people migrated to. Despite it seeming like it would be the opposite.
You genuinely don’t care if the government oversteps as long as it fits your bias. The fact that they couldn’t get it to go through as a single issue twice so they had to shove it with other issues just to get their way should be enough to piss most people off but here we are. It’s a shame. I’m disappointed in how easily manipulated so many of you are. Truly.
I haven’t followed it too closely, but I know this has been years in the making so the company should have a contingency plan. You have to wonder why the company refuses to take steps satisfactory to Congress to ensure that the CCP cannot access user data or influence the content or algorithm. It is economically suicidal to be banned in the US, which makes me think that Bytedance’s CCP masters told the company to refuse. Of course, now that the law has been passed, Bytedance will have to separate their interests since I doubt they’ll allow the app to be banned. They’d lose most of their advertising revenue if they were banned in the US. Not to mention the fact that a US ban would likely be followed by bans in other countries. I’m sure Bytedance can find a way to have another company manage their data while still making plenty of money. No need to pity a company making billions in revenue on the labour of content creators.
They can’t really have a contingency because they won’t sell. They can’t due to the laws there anyway. It’s been plainly stated countless times. We’ll see how it goes but regardless the US gov is playing dirty here under the guise of protecting our security. The people clearly said no the first two times and they shoved it through anyway. I don’t see how people don’t find that at least a little alarming
You make a good point about Bytedance perhaps not being permitted to have a contingency plan. However, the CCP may have one. Whatever Xi says is law in China.
And he’s said that companies can’t sell property like the TikTok algorithm to other countries. I highly doubt he’ll suddenly have a change of heart now. I honestly hope he doesn’t because the US shouldn’t be making legislation against its own citizens wishes just to fuck with China in the first place.
Why do you say that Congress is making legislation against its own citizens’ wishes? A quick Google search shows that polls suggest that twice as many Americans favour the ban as oppose it.
I’m still trying to figure out what the downside of this legislation is. It doesn’t ban any specific content or speech, it just bans a particular company from operating a specific platform in the US. Tiktok is still permitted to operate if it is controlled by a company that isn’t directly subject to the CCP. If Xi chooses to not let that happen, that is on him. Xi certainly can’t cry foul without massive hypocrisy, given that he has already banned virtually all western social media.
Lmao polls. Ok. We’ll just ignore the fact that the large public outcry the last two hearings stalled the proceedings forcing them to shove it through with another bill I guess.
It’s literally illegal to make legislation targeting a single company. If you don’t see a problem with them breaking their own laws to please their corporate overlords then I don’t know what else I can tell you.
My favorite part about replies like yours is how willing you are to stoop to the same level of China in retaliation. Even if it impacts millions of US citizens. But that doesn’t matter to you because you don’t like or use the app so what do you care right? Not to even mention the people that make a living through it.
Whoa, take it easy there, friend. That got personal rather quickly. Are you mad? I don’t have a horse in this race one way or the other. I don’t use Tiktok but I don’t have anything against it either. It seems to me that social media apps pop up like dandelions and the main thing that determines whether or not they thrive is the number of people participating. I guess I’m wondering why anyone should care if Tiktok in particular survives or some other social media platform takes its place. They rise, they fall, but there always seems to be a replacement.
I’d say I expected better but it’s becoming more obvious every day that lemmy is where the old and out of touch people migrated to.
No yeah this whole deal is like. Just a bunch of mildly liberal gen X Linux users, basically, that think they’re hot shit because they were right about like half of their opinions like a decade ago and haven’t changed since. The amount of people hating on even basic shit like discord here is nuts.
Get with the times, grandpa, we all use pirated windows LTSC with Microsoft activation scripts and various privacy and installation scripts! C’mon! We all use YouTube revanced grandpa! Libtube? What the fuck are you talking about?
It’s not even “banning tik-tok”. It’s “separate your interests, or we block your product”.
Which isn’t exactly something that we haven’t seen before in the U.S. and it for sure isn’t anything new in China where plenty of services, games…etc are blocked with “Chinese only” versions of those services.
We forced the sale of Grindr and nobody even brought it up.
Given how many politicians are deeply closeted, I like to imagine they hurried this one along quietly
They’re not even remotely the same thing… Y’all are so out of touch it’s ridiculous.
It’s literally the exact same thing being done to a different app. It’s not a wild comparison.
The apps themselves are wildly different. You think it’s a coincidence that this got forced through right before elections? Our gov doesn’t like that they can’t control the narrative there. They also really don’t like how upset tiktok makes the US corporations that fill their pockets. How is that comparable? Unless you think the ban is for security like they’re claiming, which is laughable, because it’s so obviously not.
It’s a ban. They have stated in no uncertain terms that they will not sell or separate any interests. It’s not for our “security” or any of that absolute BS either. It’s for their own profits and because they want people’s data.
The fact that you’d want our media to even remotely resemble the highly sensored versions in China is insane to me. Y’all are just happy to go along with this because you don’t like tiktok. That’s it. That’s all it took for a lot of you. I’d say I expected better but it’s becoming more obvious every day that lemmy is where the old and out of touch people migrated to. Despite it seeming like it would be the opposite.
You genuinely don’t care if the government oversteps as long as it fits your bias. The fact that they couldn’t get it to go through as a single issue twice so they had to shove it with other issues just to get their way should be enough to piss most people off but here we are. It’s a shame. I’m disappointed in how easily manipulated so many of you are. Truly.
I haven’t followed it too closely, but I know this has been years in the making so the company should have a contingency plan. You have to wonder why the company refuses to take steps satisfactory to Congress to ensure that the CCP cannot access user data or influence the content or algorithm. It is economically suicidal to be banned in the US, which makes me think that Bytedance’s CCP masters told the company to refuse. Of course, now that the law has been passed, Bytedance will have to separate their interests since I doubt they’ll allow the app to be banned. They’d lose most of their advertising revenue if they were banned in the US. Not to mention the fact that a US ban would likely be followed by bans in other countries. I’m sure Bytedance can find a way to have another company manage their data while still making plenty of money. No need to pity a company making billions in revenue on the labour of content creators.
They can’t really have a contingency because they won’t sell. They can’t due to the laws there anyway. It’s been plainly stated countless times. We’ll see how it goes but regardless the US gov is playing dirty here under the guise of protecting our security. The people clearly said no the first two times and they shoved it through anyway. I don’t see how people don’t find that at least a little alarming
You make a good point about Bytedance perhaps not being permitted to have a contingency plan. However, the CCP may have one. Whatever Xi says is law in China.
And he’s said that companies can’t sell property like the TikTok algorithm to other countries. I highly doubt he’ll suddenly have a change of heart now. I honestly hope he doesn’t because the US shouldn’t be making legislation against its own citizens wishes just to fuck with China in the first place.
Why do you say that Congress is making legislation against its own citizens’ wishes? A quick Google search shows that polls suggest that twice as many Americans favour the ban as oppose it.
I’m still trying to figure out what the downside of this legislation is. It doesn’t ban any specific content or speech, it just bans a particular company from operating a specific platform in the US. Tiktok is still permitted to operate if it is controlled by a company that isn’t directly subject to the CCP. If Xi chooses to not let that happen, that is on him. Xi certainly can’t cry foul without massive hypocrisy, given that he has already banned virtually all western social media.
Lmao polls. Ok. We’ll just ignore the fact that the large public outcry the last two hearings stalled the proceedings forcing them to shove it through with another bill I guess.
It’s literally illegal to make legislation targeting a single company. If you don’t see a problem with them breaking their own laws to please their corporate overlords then I don’t know what else I can tell you.
My favorite part about replies like yours is how willing you are to stoop to the same level of China in retaliation. Even if it impacts millions of US citizens. But that doesn’t matter to you because you don’t like or use the app so what do you care right? Not to even mention the people that make a living through it.
Whoa, take it easy there, friend. That got personal rather quickly. Are you mad? I don’t have a horse in this race one way or the other. I don’t use Tiktok but I don’t have anything against it either. It seems to me that social media apps pop up like dandelions and the main thing that determines whether or not they thrive is the number of people participating. I guess I’m wondering why anyone should care if Tiktok in particular survives or some other social media platform takes its place. They rise, they fall, but there always seems to be a replacement.
No yeah this whole deal is like. Just a bunch of mildly liberal gen X Linux users, basically, that think they’re hot shit because they were right about like half of their opinions like a decade ago and haven’t changed since. The amount of people hating on even basic shit like discord here is nuts.
Get with the times, grandpa, we all use pirated windows LTSC with Microsoft activation scripts and various privacy and installation scripts! C’mon! We all use YouTube revanced grandpa! Libtube? What the fuck are you talking about?
Hey I’ve heard there’s this really cool app for lipsyncing and dancing. Apparently it’s getting pretty popular. Sounds like you’d have more fun there
You just made my point and you don’t even realize it lmao
Okay then, where did all the young and in-touch people end up?
I’m not telling you old man
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