• nifty@lemmy.worldOP
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    6 months ago

    Eh just because an individual or a group finds something “meaningful” doesn’t mean, well, anything

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      6 months ago

      Did you run this by Clippy? Or at least, by the history of nation states and religious wars?

      Because some very unverifiable and in that sense “unreal” beliefs have had some very meaningful and pivotal roles in history and civilization.

      Thought-acts and speech acts can make the metaphysical meaningful, and have done so throughout human history.

      … remember how I said our species wasn’t soley rational?

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        Because some very unverifiable and in that sense “unreal” beliefs have had some very meaningful and pivotal roles in history and civilization.

        That’s besides the point though, and I think that’s what you’re not getting.

        Forget humans exist, what exists then? Rationality has nothing to do with this. Secondly, why is the nature of reality impinged on human rationality or lack there of? Doesn’t make sense, sorry.

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      6 months ago

      Enlighten us on what does mean anything.

      One could easily argue that we are all just some vibrating mass and nothing means anything.

      If we all got together and built a giant super science rocket and colonized mars would that “mean anything”?

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        6 months ago

        I think we don’t necessarily need to assume anything, but simply keep an open and critical mind towards examining anything. All frameworks are open to revision, but if there is any merit to the metaphysical we are able to discern it somehow (logically, philosophically etc if not empirically).

        To clarify, by metaphysical I mean some of the medieval era logic regarding the nature of reality. Other people also use metaphysical to mean mind-independent reality (I am not criticizing this latter definition).