I can wait literally forever to play a console exclusive and I won’t have to because emulation.
Same, I don’t even want to buy another console, except maybe the new Switch
If the titles are backwards compatible anyways, then it’s only a matter of time before we can play them on the SteamDeck anyhow.
I don’t have the tech-saavy for emulation, and I’ll still wait for console exclusives to come out on PC (unless we’re talking Nintendo exclusives I’m actually interested in). I’ve actively waited for Ghost Signal: A Stellaris Game to no longer be a Facebook exclusive, and now I’m doing the same for Out Of Scale.
Facebook exclusive? WTF am I reading?
Remember when Facebook’s overarching company bought out Oculus? Well, some VR games seem to start out as exclusives on the “quest” headsets. (I know Facebook [the parent company] changed their name to “Meta”, but I refuse to acknowledge that)
Pls save me from the capital leeches.
Yeah there’s a first person NFL VR game, but last I heard, it was still oculus exclusive
A simple fact that consoles require a monthly subscription to play anything with friends is why they will never reach PC gaming.
I paid for hardware, I paid for the game, I pay for the internet; fuck your subscription just to join an online server you contribute nothing to.
It’s my red line that I will not cross. I’ve given in to some practices I hated at one point. But I will absolutely never pay for the internet twice.
I quit their system when they changed things around and my life hasnt changed, Indont even play online.
Tbh the way things have gone, I went and bought a PC, got some emulators and got all my catalog on to the system and any nintendo exclusives or PS exclusives I buy second hand. I have hated this generation between the ps5 and switch everything underwhelmed
FWIW there are exceptions to that. On PlayStation, you only need a subscription if PSN handles the online component of the game. Companies that manage their own online services don’t require it. Genshin Impact, Final Fantasy 14, Warframe, Fortnite, etc. can all be played without PS+
I thought I remember Xbox doing the the same thing for free to play Xbox games a couple years ago
I don’t own an Xbox so I am not quite sure, but I don’t think it applies in quite the same way, namely that in order to play Final Fantasy XIV on Xbox, I read that you need a Gamepass subscription in addition to the game subscription itself, which is not a requirement on PlayStation.
But for truly free to play games, maybe.
What does he think the mental process is? “Oh Spiderman 2 dropped I’m going to buy a PS5 and play that immediately”?
Nah, the process is, “Oh Spiderman 2 dropped? Oh it’s console exclusive? Guess I’ll play looks at the hundreds of unplayed games in my steam library The same 3 games I always play while I wait.”
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PlayStation’s CEO drastically overestimates the PC crowd’s wallet capacity, thinks PC gamers will buy an inferior, overpriced, locked down PC that can only play specific games on a non-replacable proprietary OS with planned obsolescence for when the PS6 comes out
I’ll never not be a PC gamer but calling PS overpriced at the moment is wild. Compared to the cost of PC components right now 5 or 6 hundred is not ridiculous. That’s cheaper than mid to high tier GPU alone.
You are forgetting that you have to pay to play online. Your $500 console is an $800 console if you use it for 5 years. You can build a roughly PS5 equivalent PC (RX 6700) for more like $650-700 which is less overall.
Plus it’s a computer so you can also use it for normal computer things, and the games themselves are generally much cheaper with a huge backlog and sales all the time.
I did forget that. Also that price point is awesome, I just dumped a ton on a fresh build. I didn’t want to minmax on it but it’s cool you can get it that low and still have that level of quality. Gotta hate NVIDIA.
Also don’t forget living at the whim of the manufacturer with regards to backwards compatibility.
My PC game library goes back literally 30+ years. (I think the oldest game I play occasionally is Eye of the Beholder, 1991. The original doom is still good and from 1993)
That has value.
This is an excellent point. The availability of games.
On PC, you can play pretty much every game ever, with varying degrees of legality, whether directly, or indirectly using an emulator, with the only exception to this being very modern titles on consoles which do not have an emulator for PC yet, or that are still locked in a bullshit exclusivity deal.
Meanwhile, PS/XBox is limited to whatever Sony/Microsoft deems appropriate to have on their console.
On console you live and die by someone else’s rules, on PC, the sky is the limit.
Tru
Perhaps in isolation, but given that most people need a PC, would you rather:
a) buy a subpar PC for productivity and a console that’s going to be wasted money in a few years’ time, and you need to invest even more money on a new console (unless you never want to play new games again), and/or pour a bunch of money into scam subscription online services to get games (or even play them at all if they’re online)
b) buy a good PC with money you would have otherwise spent on the console, that will last effectively until the hardware dies, and even then you can upgrade it instead of buying a new PC
I agree the LLM and cryptobro insanity has screwed the GPU market, but in the long run even at the current prices PCs are still a better deal.
As I said I play games on PC so I would rather option B. I’m just saying that I don’t think PS is comparatively that expensive. If PCs are a better deal, it’s not by that much.
and that’s accounting for a theoretical PS6, used PS5 rn is probably <$400.
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it is not as if used PCs with year old components aren’t cheaper than new ones. The console is significantly worse here because the subscription prices do not get reduced by anything because the hardware is older.
I have spider-man 2 on my gamecube, why do I need a ps5?
I have Spider-Man 2 on my PS1
We (PC gamers) have a wide swath of hardware and input preferences that consoles do not even make an ATTEMPT to accommodate. Then there’s the predatory “pay us a subscription to play online” thing, too.
Most PC gamers will just completely skip consoles rather than play games like that. Our patience is eternal and without end.
I think that’s accurate for a subset of PC gamers but there’s no shortage of people pre-ordering trash games or encouraging other shitty behavior like microtransactions on PC. Many of those problems could be solved with a patience that doesn’t currently exist in sufficient quantities to discourage publishers from bad practices.
This is just my theory, but with the price of game development increasing so rapidly, I think it’s getting harder for the impatient to cover the development costs and make a profit off shitty games, unless the game has a huge following. Games like COD, Diablo, Star Wars, etc.
For games without that following, I think they are definitely being punished for their bad practices. Like Gotham Knights, Red Fall, Saints Row, etc. Games that cost so much that they have potential to shut down studios
Don’t forget things like locking everyone into their ecosystem. Case in point, Minecraft. On the pc using Bedrock I can connect to any server. Xbox and Nintendo versions I know for a fact you can only connect to approved servers. Not sure about the PS version, but I would venture it’s similar. So why would I want to limit myself by playing their locked down copy of the exact same game?
Seriously. I was thrilled to see Sony start porting over interesting looking games, but if they go back to their previous release standard, I’m fine going back to my previous “not playing ps exclusives” standards. I’ve got plenty of other games to get to. No need to go out of my way to get over the hurdles they put up.
yup especially the pc gamer, especially with the presence of lots of banger indies, is spoiled for choice, that exclusivity is less of something enticing. And selling on FOMO don’t work as well when there’s also tons of f2p games competing on such feelings.
NO STEAM DECK NO PLAY
Gaming PCs are almost universally faster and more powerful than any gaming consoles, no matter how flashy and prettily designed. (Hell, even mid tier PCs generally kick the ass of most consoles) So why the hell would a PC gamer downgrade their gaming experience by wasting their money on a console?
For me it’s the paid multiplayer that ruins it.
Yeah that amazing people are paying extra to be able to use internet
I think that current-gen console gamers are becoming increasingly aware of the reason why consoles can still be competitive: quantity, optimization, and upscaling. It becomes very apparent when every AAA game ships with two graphics modes, performance and quality, which are usually just changes in internal resolution/upscaling, LoD, texture budget, and lighting/RT.
Purely in the perspective of gaming performance per dollar, the current-gen consoles just barely beat out mid to upper-mid range PCs, but factoring in all the other uses of a PC pushes the comparison in PC’s favor.
Do they? Last time i checked decent pc was at least twice as expensive. Granted pc does have advantage in versatility but if you dont need it then consoles win. Also price to performance is flawed metrics. Ultimately the only thing that matters is that game works fine. And since they are targeted for consoles first usualy they do work on them good enough. Sure on pc they technicaly can have higher resolution or a bit more detail but it really doesnt matter that much in a grand scheme of things.
A decent GPU alone will run as much as an entire PS5. You get other computer perks when building a PC, but the simple fact is that a lot of gamers are priced out of it.
I think this is completely misguided. An equivalent GPU as in the ps5 is reportedly an RTX 5700 XT ~$200.
The RTX 4060 Ti ~$400 or RTX 3080 ~$450 is comparable if you want 4k gaming, but since most people don’t have TV hardware suitable for 4k gaming it’s a dumb comparison unless you include the $2000 TV in addition to the cost of the console. The TV alone compares the cost of a competent 4k PC rig before you consider the $500 console, multiplayer subscription cost and higher price of games so unless you’re part of the niche that has a very high quality TV already, the claim that console gaming being cheaper seems mistaken.
4K TVs are not $2000, they’re incredibly cheap these days. You can get a 70-inch 4K TV at Costco or similar retailers for less than $500. And even less than that for more reasonable TV sizes.
I normally don’t like factoring in the cost of other hardware anyways because the computer will also need a monitor, mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc. which are things you don’t necessarily want to skimp on either.
Sure you can get a cheap 4k TV way less, but without a good refresh rate and response time it’s not suitable for gaming. $2k may be high, I’ve not been in the market super recently but it’s certainly wrong to say an entry level 4k Samsung from Costco is suitable for gaming, the response time isn’t close to give the right experience. Same logic as setting graphics to 4k and playing at like 15 fps on a computer on a dog of a GPU.
A computer does need a monitor, and honestly a decent one does cost often upwards of $300, but smaller size without any of the bundled processors etc make it way cheaper than a TV that can do the same.
There is something to say about how well the storage is integrated into the PS5 in particular. The latency is much lower than PC storage generally is, even for m.2 NVMe. That probably isn’t actually that large of an issue that the games using that couldn’t work on PC, especially if you have a lot of RAM, which is even faster.
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My $1000 home built machine from 10 years ago can run circles around the XBox One so I respectfully disagree.
That’s with an AMD FX-8150 and 16 GB or Ram and a standard Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti running on an 8 year old Samsung solidstate.
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Tflops is floating point math genius, and the FX-8150 gets around 8 of 'em so it’s handling a huge chunk of it and offloading a lot of the finer details to the graphics card. Not even mentioning the added instruction sets. The Ryzen is handling both cause all the graphics is being run through the processor instead of through a card. So it’s doing double duty. And yeah, ram makes up for a lot. There’s also separate ram on the card so in addition the the 16 gigs of ram on board the mobo, there’s 4 more gigs on the graphics board. Not to mention the vram running off the solid state. So I will happily put my 10+ year old machine right up against any and all the consoles and it will kick every one of their asses.
I said I respectfully disagree but you wanted to take it to the floor.
Edit: here’s a spec sheet including the tflops on the Xbox one, one s, and one x.
Edit2edit: wrong GPU. Still, 2.1 beats the shit out of Xbox 1 and 1S at 2.1, and that’s without the processor doing all the heavy lifting.
No Sony. You had every chance to win me over and you blew it.
Heh. That’s cute. Pissing off players by cutting them off from their games has been going sooo well for them.
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Could I buy a PlayStation. Yes. Will I, no. I lost interest in PlayStation back during the PS3. That console saw more Blu-rays and DVDs than games. Never bought a PS4.
And if/when this or any other formerly exclusive games come to PC, it has to compete with current release PC titles, but itself will be judged as an older title. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s new to the platform. I won’t be paying new game price for a port of an old title.
This is my problem with Ghosts of Tsushima… It’s already 4 years old. I’m not willing to pay 80 bucks for a game either way, but definitely not a 4 year old game!
$80? More like $50 but your point stands.
I should have said $79.99 CAD, not freedom bucks.
To be fair, I do have to keep my wife from getting a PS5 for the FF7 remake games. SE will eventually release them on PC, and modders will fix whatever shit port job they do this time.
However, this does not come from a place of logic; she wants to see Cloud and Sephiroth fuuuuuuck.
Oh, we know. She still insisted on the PS4 version when that came out. We comprised as I bought her a used copy to avoid giving SE any ideas that it’s ok to do that shit lol
However, this does not come from a place of logic; she wants to see Cloud and Sephiroth fuuuuuuck.
My wife bought Mass Effect because she wanted to fuck everybody.
She’s been hearing about BG3 and thinking about it.
…Can I get her number?
Only if you’re a video game with of horny choices
This is why I have a PS5.
Granted, I don’t hate the thing, but I also don’t find it that useful.
I wish it supported ultrawide. Returnal does.
and FF16! I have owned and 100%'d most FF’s and still I refuse to buy a PS5 for the exclusives.
Playstation CEO doesn’t play games or else they would know how much more flexible PC gaming is for the user. They are hoping people will slum it with console locked ecosystems and non-moddable games using hardware that never improves.
True, consoles are rapidly approaching being indistinguishable from Kiosk moded, locked down miniature PC’s.
Approaching? I would say kiosk mode PC consoles started with Xbox and then PS4 joined the group, Nintendo is what’s left.
I think you are right.
If it was a couple of hundred bucks maybe
But $500 plus the $70 game? Not a chance.
I’d rather upgrade a component or two for that price, you know the thing PC gamers spend money on instead of getting a console to play exclusives.
And upgrading also means, that you can(depending on what your components are), have now a lot of games that you can play now, since you upgraded. You also may be able to play now with better Grafics/fps.
Oh I can wait.
I’ve waited for Alan Wake 2. I’ve waited for countless of other games, time is on my side.
I have so many games in my backlog and on my steam wishlist, I dont really even care if some great game will miss steam. However, I will buy good games without denuvo and sometimes I can even pay the full price upon release. Rare, but a few times a year this can happen.
My switch collects dust because I’ve grown a custom to picking up 10-15 games for the same price as a three year old title on the switch.
Switch game prices are ridiculous! I think my (teenage) kids have 4 games for their Switch because nobody wants to pay those prices. I don’t know how many 100s of dollars they’ve spent on Steam games over the years at $5-20 per game, but they’re never willing to spend $40-60 and they won’t even put Switch games on their wishlist at that price.
It’s tough man, It just doesn’t feel good.
I finally picked up a steam deck so I can find more time to enjoy my library. It’s weird how your attitude changes when you start using your gaming PC for studying or work. I just don’t want to sit there for a few more hours after spending three or four working on something.
I still haven’t even started Kingdom Hearts 3 (I know, I know), which I pre-ordered before I even owned a PS4 (I know, I know). And now it’s looking like I’ll be able to play that on PC before playing it on the console I bought specifically for it. I can wait these fuckers out for decades if I have to.
