• umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    bullshit like this is getting worse and worse and is why i moved away from windows.

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      Same. They’ve always done this shit, but installing windows - and then uninstalling or disabling all the cooked-in bloat and spyware - has become so ridiculously tiresome that I just said fuck it and went Linux full-time.

      Every update or service pack, it starts all over. There’s no such thing as a clean windows install.

      Nobara was up and running in like ten minutes with no fuckery at all, and it’s no nice not having to fight my OS on everything.

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        the constant cat and mouse game to disable the crap is something i dont miss after switching.

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          I can testify for AMD. It just works on the 7900xtx.

          Early last year it had issues buy they pushed a driver update and its perfect now.

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          Yep! I’m on Nvidia, the new drivers are really solid. I’ve read AMD cards run fine as well, but don’t use one

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      What are you running? I tried Ubuntu as my daily driver and honestly found it’s user experience pretty shitty. Lots of little buggy issues with the interface and running a few games on steam that support Linux wasn’t great

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        i’m running ubuntu. its flawless for me. its less work to set it up how i like it than to remove all the crapware on windows.

        if you are running nvidia it might explain the little issues.

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            nvidia doesnt follow the standards with their linux driver, its just the windows driver adapted to run on linux. its not bad for gaming ime, but causes all sorts of little issues on the desktop especially if you are running wayland instead of xorg.

            its changing though, they opened the source code for it and are currently rewriting the driver with the community. long way to go still though.

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              Never knew, thanks for the info. Probably explains what I experienced. Nothing super major but just enough to annoy me over time

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            5 months ago

            nvidia drivers are much less than ideal on linux, it causes all sorts of small issues on the desktop. depends on your setup though, some people run it fine.

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        It’s really a matter of would you rather:

        1. Deal with MS relentlessly jamming their garbage down your throat

        2. Become a sysadmin

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          I became a sysadmin, I like being able to learn to get around problems. But an outsider just sees someone spending all morning fiddling with winetricks when it ‘just works’ on windows.

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          The thing is it’s the same base linux as decade(s?) ago, windows is changing how stuff is done all the time.

          So a one time effort or a marathon IMO.

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          not that big of a deal if you choose a distro with good defaults ootb. choosing the right distro is the biggest step imo if you don’t want to debug your computer.

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          Really depends on your use case. Like @trougnouf@lemmy.world said, casual users that use the OS as a browser and email client can use practically any distro. Users that do a bit more, like casual gaming on gold-rated Steam games, generally do fine with something like Pop!_OS or Linux Mint.

          It’s when you start going towards the more hardcore users, like really hardcore gamers that play obscure titles or have unsupported Windows-specific hardware, artists that need very specific unsupported programs for editing or recording, engineers who need to do CAD specifically in a Windows-specific proprietary software, or a tinkerer that’s used to the Windows environment, that “become a sysadmin” starts being a reasonable complaint.

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      Its been their practice since the early 90s. Bundling and defaulting all their shitty apps, then making sure everything else has compatibility issues by design.

      The worst thing to happen to Microsoft was the IETF. It shattered their walled garden and forced them to integrate with a host of other internationally developed and encoded systems through a uniform protocol. They’ve spent the last 30 years trying to claw their position of OS dominance back.