• dactylotheca@suppo.fi
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    4 months ago

    Conservatives are only capable of empathy if their ideology directly affects someone they care about. Good on them for finally getting there, but they’re a day late and a dollar short

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      Not everyone changes even when those close to them are impacted, sadly. I share your frustration and your point stands that it shouldn’t take someone close to you being impacted to show empathy but this is a good outcome.

      We need more stories like this and we should always be encouraging of people who turn away from bigotry even if they should never have been going that way to begin with.

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      4 months ago

      Should be encouraging these acts instead of pointing at how slow they are.

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        4 months ago

        No, fuck 'em. Positive reinforcement when conservatives finally accept LGBTQ+ family members hasn’t worked and conservatives have only leaned into their bigotry and hatred.

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          4 months ago

          on the contrary, it has been shown that social normalization changes behavior better than shame or fear. It may not be happening as fast as you’d like but going the other route will just be counterproductive.

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          Stop acting like you live in a perfect world where the vast majority of voters are Left.

          In 2024 we need every vote we can get, and if that means treating latecomers nice, it’s better than getting four more years of the GOP.

          Slow motion is much better than no motion.

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            “Keep doing the counterproductive thing” is a terrible argument.

            Acknowledging their change is fine. Celebrating it and plastering it on the news gives reasonable people false hope that most conservatives can be reasoned with when it is apparent conservstives have a tiny chance to change when it happens to them directly.

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              4 months ago

              Or, wild idea’ when it happens to people they know.

              And how does being mean to potential allies get more votes?

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                  4 months ago

                  Acknowledging without celebrating is being mean?

                  Now you’re just playing with definitions.

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                    No, people just keep replying to what they think I mean instead of the words I am typing.

                    Putting someone’s decision to be slightly less shitty as a reason things are looking up is celebrating them. No, they don’t fucking deserve a headline for being slightly less shitty because of a personal connection to the issue. That is such a selfish reason to change.

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              So what you’re saying is “perfection over progress”.

              So tell me, last time a vote didn’t go perfectly your way, you took up arms and corrected the mistake of your government by force, yes?

              How did that go?

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                So what you’re saying is “perfection over progress”.

                Did you mean to respond to a different post?

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              Tell me if I wrong but if you show that won’t there also be a positive effect for people who need that last bit of push to finally see it?

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                4 months ago

                You are thinking of reasonable people.

                Only changing when it personally affects them is confirmation that positive reinforcement doeson’t work on bigots. Shame barely kept them from being publicly shitty for a couple of decades, but that was more than positive reinforcement.

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                    Yes, hardcore bigots would have. These are everyday normal bigots who probably shifted on one personal issue and otherwise still hold onto the rest of their shitty views.

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            4 months ago

            molly coddling republicans’ sensitive feefees for the last 20+ years is what led to a world where a trump presidency is possible. TWICE

            no, those “i’m all of a sudden open minded and tolerant” people can eat shit. fuck them