Like I get the push more air through your mouth and get louder but my voice never breaks. I just get louder and louder and louder until I can’t get louder anymore.

One time a friend of mine was a half a block away in the wrong direction and I screamed their name and they jumped because they said it sounded like I was right behind them talking in my normal voice just very loudly.

But then I listen to singers and they get that raw raspy edge to their voice and my voice doesn’t do that.

How do you do that?

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    I am a decent metal vocalist. I have taught all kinds of people to do deep guttural growls, from children to adults male and female.

    Without creating a wall of text that will only confuse you… Two words: Exasperated sigh.

    Sigh like you just died on the final boss and realized you never quicksaved.

    Sigh like your dad just made the most anguishingly bad pun you’ve ever heard. There needs to be some disgust in this sigh.

    Kind of say “uhhh” and “eww” and “ugh” at the same time.

    The goal is to push air hard and leave the throat muscles loose. This will make your throat flap about and distort the sound coming out.

    Okay we’re getting toward wall of text, but, have you ever had a cough for a long time? And your cough got nasty sounding, even after you were all better? You trained your muscles to relax, thats why it sounds different, and you did it to help push mucous out. Screaming is pretty much the same. Once you’re comfortable with all this, give it a nice loud: “Ahhhhhhhhhh!” But relax your throat as you push more air/push harder. That’s where the distortion comes from.

    Edit: check out extreme vocal institute for more tips. That guy explains this stuff brilliantly, and he gets into very detailed specifics.

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    If you’re talking about the metal music kind of screaming look up “vocal fry” or “fry screaming” on YouTube. It’s a technique, and it’s surprisingly not that loud. Like you wouldn’t use a fry scream to shout at your friend a block away but on a recording or through the mic on stage you can’t tell so it looks and sounds like the singer is screaming their lungs out.

    Also if you try it yourself make sure to stop before it hurts! If done correctly you can fry scream all day. If done incorrectly and ignoring the warnings signs you could end up needing surgery on your larynx. Have fun!

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      During the single mandatory postgraduate session on ethics, a few of us decided to play a bot trivia game over Telegram.

      We all already knew it’s bad to use our education to kill people or do fraud or plagiarise shit. Like, man, I never did that. I’m not gonna fucking do that.

      Anyways, someone sent the answer, “Led Zeppelin”, 1ms before me.

      I slammed my fist on the desk. The entire lecture hall looked at me. That was my only moment of gamer rage where I hit something. Normally I just aggressively grunt or clench my teeth.

      edit: I dropped out anyways, so it didn’t matter if you don’t think about it too much

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    Look up metal screams / growls. You need to use a different part of your throat for that and there’s training methods to teach you how. Obviously in those cases you’d mostly exclusively use them false vocal cords while when screaming you’d use them and your regular vocal folds for a mixed voice. There’s other ways to add vocal fry but they’re fairly unhealthy and can cause damage, which is why people often lose their voice when screaming too much.

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    Honestly OP, it sounds like what you’re doing is dramatically more interesting. Can we get an example?

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      I have had many singing lessons, they focused more on proper intonation and breath support, vibrato control, scale memorization, stuff like that.

      I even paid for a good chunk of my college by participating in choir. I’m a dramatic tenor and there’s a recording out there where we’re singing Leonard Cohen’s hallelujah and in a crowd of 80 singers I can be clearly heard over all of the other singers.

      Loud voice. No scream.

      I just want to know how to scream.

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          Possibly. The thing is I’m not trying to sing like death metal or anything I just want to be able to put the occasional scream onto a song like Dave grohl does.

          He can transition from clear vocal to distorted vocal and back cleanly, and I would like to be able to replicate that for my own music.

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        It’s deep down in the throat/belly not up near the mouth, from what little experience I’ve had (have managed it, but didn’t really learn)

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    I use the false cord technique to do metal vocals (vocal fry was harder to learn and didn’t click with me), I basically just watched different YouTube tutorials on how to do it until I watched one by Kardavox Academy on YouTube and he likened the feeling of engaging the false cords to sighing exasperatedly, and also going “ruff” very lowly like a dog.

    This explanation alone is terrible, but understanding what he meant and mimicing those sounds allowed me to understand what it feels like when I engage the false cords and now I have enough control to engage or disengage it on a word by word basis or slide into it from a clean voice. It’s definitely as people say, with the right technique it won’t hurt, it can be tough on your voice even when done correctly, but you should never have to stop and cough, that’s when you’re really doing it wrong.

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    You have to stop projecting the sound from the diaphragm and move it to the throat. Essentially the opposite from singing instructions. It is obviously really bad for the vocal cords.

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      Not if done correctly. Metal singers do it all day long. It’s all about technique and heeding the warning signs when you’re not doing it right.

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        Sure, but that’s not what they are asking. A scream, a shout and a metal growl are different things, they asked about screaming.

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          And a metal scream and a metal growl are also two different things that both exist. That’s why I assumed they were talking about the former. ¯_ (ツ)_/