I don’t think people are all that left. I think conservative has been misused so much it is almost a drop in for fascist or laissez fair capitalist.
E.g. abortion. The conservative mindset is to keep regulations to a minimal and defer to the medical community. Overruling Roe was pretty radical and goes against the recommendations of the medical community. It is also government getting into people’s business.
E.g. climate. Wouldn’t it be more conservative to err on the side of caution and do things that are a good idea anyway and reduce GHG, like renewables and reducing car dependent design? Replacing street cars, trams, and rails with cars everywhere was a pretty radical move.
I can keep going with examples, but I think that is clear enough.
If you look at policies, people overwhelmingly support policies, initiatives, laws, etc. that progressive groups champion.
If you look at how people rate themselves and people they know, they will simultaneously say that they are all moderates or conservatives.
Politicians further misunderstand the overall lean of their constituents, because the loudest and most consistent voices are regressives screaming that all conservatives are with them.
Add to this that progressive groups tend to be focusing on actually doing the things, while regressives can quickly build a fantasy world and just all agree to repeat it ad nauseum, and you’ve got a perfect storm for people to not have any good way to actually describe the world they want to live in.
they will simultaneously say that they are all moderates or conservatives.
That is the infuriating part. The people the are voting for are anything but that when you think about what they say the value and what those they vote for do. Case in point, I just got a mailer from a local politician with some anti trans nonsense about some trans woman athlete that did well and it wasn’t fair because she used to male. Wouldn’t the small government approach be to leave it up to the sports organization?
Same with schools. Why are all these alleged conservatives that claim small government out of their business trying to micromanage school libraries?
Why do these government out of my business types want the only way to get around be a car you have to have government permission to operate that you must register with the government that must meet government safety and emissions regulations, that you can only effectively use on government roads that are monitored constantly by government police and you have to have government mandated insurance that meets government requirements.
But you are talking about a political conservatives, these aren’t it, they even want to throw elections everywhere. In Brazil our copycats say they are “conservative in traditions” but “liberals in economy”, you know, “I want a child to born but then it can starve to death”.
I do love that most of you all are pretty left leaning. Thanks.
I don’t think people are all that left. I think conservative has been misused so much it is almost a drop in for fascist or laissez fair capitalist.
E.g. abortion. The conservative mindset is to keep regulations to a minimal and defer to the medical community. Overruling Roe was pretty radical and goes against the recommendations of the medical community. It is also government getting into people’s business.
E.g. climate. Wouldn’t it be more conservative to err on the side of caution and do things that are a good idea anyway and reduce GHG, like renewables and reducing car dependent design? Replacing street cars, trams, and rails with cars everywhere was a pretty radical move.
I can keep going with examples, but I think that is clear enough.
If you look at policies, people overwhelmingly support policies, initiatives, laws, etc. that progressive groups champion.
If you look at how people rate themselves and people they know, they will simultaneously say that they are all moderates or conservatives.
Politicians further misunderstand the overall lean of their constituents, because the loudest and most consistent voices are regressives screaming that all conservatives are with them.
Add to this that progressive groups tend to be focusing on actually doing the things, while regressives can quickly build a fantasy world and just all agree to repeat it ad nauseum, and you’ve got a perfect storm for people to not have any good way to actually describe the world they want to live in.
That is the infuriating part. The people the are voting for are anything but that when you think about what they say the value and what those they vote for do. Case in point, I just got a mailer from a local politician with some anti trans nonsense about some trans woman athlete that did well and it wasn’t fair because she used to male. Wouldn’t the small government approach be to leave it up to the sports organization?
Same with schools. Why are all these alleged conservatives that claim small government out of their business trying to micromanage school libraries?
Why do these government out of my business types want the only way to get around be a car you have to have government permission to operate that you must register with the government that must meet government safety and emissions regulations, that you can only effectively use on government roads that are monitored constantly by government police and you have to have government mandated insurance that meets government requirements.
I think those conservatives are dead by now. It’s the trumpets now.
But you are talking about a political conservatives, these aren’t it, they even want to throw elections everywhere. In Brazil our copycats say they are “conservative in traditions” but “liberals in economy”, you know, “I want a child to born but then it can starve to death”.
I don’t care if people are leaning one way or the other as long as they argue their points in good faith.
That said, one side seems to engage like that a lot more than the other.
Most of reality is. Conservatives hate the fact that they are in the extreme minority.