I am shocked to see so many posts in Reddit and here mentioning Andy’s post.
There are people creating posts with titles like Proton became MAGA, Andy endorsed Republican, and the like…
I am urging everyone, please take a step back and look at the whole story.
I really don’t want people to be manipulated by reading only the titles of those posts and come into conclusion of what Proton is doing.
And please think this, “Proton Mail is the world’s largest secure email provider. Swiss, end-to-end encrypted, private, and free.” what does the service has to do with politics?
Thank you
I think maybe you are the one who only read the title, and not the sweeping generalizations of democrats and republicans.
A board member of a privacy company not understanding the basic and obvious fact that fascists and nazis like republicans never want to reign in big tech, but want to hijack it to make it even worse, is sort of like him not knowing what a VPN does.
It’s too central to the business for him to be that far away from understanding it, and all of his reasonable responses to the backlash haven’t addressed that, which is the entire point. Even if he doesn’t do it again, he still has demonstrated a crippling lack of understanding about his business.
The other side let big tech run amok, influence elections, stifle free speech, and censor differing opinions. Sounds like something actual fascists would do, but keep thinking they were helping you.
I am not American. I don’t understand why they need to endorse any US politician, let alone Trump specifically.
The fact that the CEO seems to have a limited understanding of the concept of oligarchy and seems to be buying into pretty low effort “American-style” corruption propaganda schemes is rather worrying.
I subscribe and I generally like the service, but I am going to at least keep in mind that I may need to switch at some point.
No one endorsed Trump. Please read the actual posts that are being referred to. He said Trump’s pick for leader of the FTC was a good choice. FTC being the arm of the government charged with anti-trust enforcement. Thus tangentially related to Andy’s business where he competes with said monopolies.
Yeah well, my Politics Policy says to not support fascists or people who openly praise fascists if I can help it. So there’s that.
what does the service has to do with politics?
They endorsed Trump on an official account and couldn’t be arsed to properly apologize.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit either apparently. He praised an appointment selection, not Trump. Nowhere did he say “I support or endorse Trump”.
No one endorsed Trump, this is just a blatant lie.
So what exactly is your point?
I read the articles, saw his tweets, and think that endorsing a fascist politician from the US doesn’t sit well for a privacy and freedom of speech endorsing platform.
He didnt endorse Trump. You should learn to read better.
Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost. Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
Ok, so he endorsed the republican party and not its de-facto leader. Please explain how that makes a difference?
Frankly I ain’t seen that many misleading titles. Boys acting like a dumbass.
There be straight up lies in these comments though.
Honestly, I agree.
I saw Andy’s post. And I’ve seen a bunch of reactions and people proclaiming to cancel their accounts. And I think the negative reactions are all a little strong.
No, I didn’t love Andy’s statement and I certainly don’t support Trump. Yes, he goofed up by using the official proton account to respond. But is Andy or Proton supporting or funding Trump or anyone else in US politics? Do the statements directly affect proton’s operations or services? No? Then how much does this really matter? Does Andy’s statement even tell us that much about his personal politic?
I realize there are many reasons for people to not support Trump, notably minority groups. But using Proton services is a big step removed from “supporting Trump”. Moreover, we don’t have many alternative to proton. There are a few and people should feel free to explore them. But I also don’t know about the political opinions of leaders at those companies. We rarely know this kind of information when spending money.
For me, proton is still a good company, providing good and valuable services, and operating in ways that I support (Swiss non-profit). Andy’s presumed political alignment and dumb comment doesn’t negate all the good stuff.
Edit: Ok! Turns out I didn’t see the “official response”. Ya it’s bad. I dislike this a whole lot more. Apparently, Proton is involved with US politics. IMO, this really does give people a reason to vote with their wallet.
It’s a shame though because they’re right about corporate democrats vs progressive democrats. We (the US) really needed Bernie Sanders and he was thrown out by crappy politics. Still, corporate democrats are a hell of a lot better than fascism.
The worst part was not Andy’s initial posts it was his initial “let me correct the narrative” follow ups where he went on to bash Democrats and call the Republicans the party of the little guy, which is in many ways untruthful.
It’s just a really bad look overall. This is basically how it started with us finding out Musk was such a mess too.
Huh. Maybe I didn’t see everything then? I’ll go digging again
Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote.
At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance.
By working on the front lines of many policy issues, we have seen the shift between Dems and Republicans over the past decade first hand.
Dems had a choice between the progressive wing (Bernie Sanders, etc), versus corporate Dems, but in the end money won and constituents lost.
Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.
I guess it was the initial one where he said the little guy stuff, regardless he doubles down on the partisan politics. This was posted through the official Proton account as well.
Like, he had a bad expense with Chuck and basically nobody including 99% of Republicans showed up to his party … So clearly we should all just forget all the other problematic stuff that Republicans have done.
I think he doesn’t get the part about US politics where most of the time party leaders won’t bring bills unless they’re major flag flying things (like immigration in the Republican House) or they’ll actually pass.
Privacy is neither for either party.
I don’t like it either, but got now it’s still better than Google that donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration fund.
I hope proton let’s Andy go as their CEO since he’s damaging their reputation so much.
Yeah… I think I’m going to stay with them but this was a really really dumb stunt he pulled.
Maybe it’s just to get favorable treatment for Proton but he’s playing with fire especially as many people that value privacy the most are the people that need privacy from the kind of authoritarian strongmen like Trump.
You’re kind of scaring away the people that need you the most.
That’s my thought, it was directed @ trump. Trump likes being fawned over.
Absolutely. It doesn’t inspire trust in your customers.
