I know for many people the main condition is that their work wouldn’t be cool with it so would lose income or threaten job. in union strikes, a huge part of our dues goes towards a strike fund to make sure people get income when striking so i think i would like to see some crowd funding general strike fund or some sort of union type thing but anyone in working class can join & point of it is to organize and fund assistance, legal help, anti-retaliation.
I’d be down to general strike though, some massive positive changes in history have been via general striking since wealthy class freaks out.
what do y’all think?
Unions have earned their bad reputation in the US. Union management is more evil that corporate management, and corporate management is not very good.
Yes corporate management isn’t always good, but they are not nearly as bad as union management makes them out to be. Meanwhile I’ve seen the sillyness that unions enforce (I can’t plug in a network cable - that is a union job) and I want nothing to do with them. Unions need to clean up their own act before trying to get me to join. I’m not against unions, but the way they work in the US I’m very against. Start looking in the mirror and seeing what the real world is like and not your strawman vision of what you think my issues are!
Unions in other countries work very different. If you live in Europe, you have no idea what unions in the US are like, so stop.
Back all this bullshit up with cited sources or fuck off with this concept that doesn’t even pass the smell test.
Perfect evidence here. People in unions refuse to acknowledge all the problems outsiders have with unions. My observations are just invalid and insulted.
One more reason I want nothing to do with unions.
He literally asked for something to back up your statements, he’s literally acknowledging your viewpoint and would be open to it if you were able to cite any references. If you want “outsiders” to listen to you, you have a responsibility to give them a reason to.
There, no insults, just a suggestion that if you want discourse, you need to have something beyond your opinion to back it up.
I’ve been in offices where I was told look for the union guy before plugging my network cable, don’t do it when he was looking.
There is a constant stream of hate on corporate management here, most of it without any evidence given. I want some evidence in return. Not that it exists, but that it is anywhere near as bad as people are saying.
Maybe you have just worked in really well managed places?
I’ve worked in a number of places. Some better managed than others. The fact that I see this variation is why union “management is always bad” talking points just turn me off.
Cos most management, in my experience, is authoritarian and gets results by shouting.
You do realise that management is there to get the most from you with the least expenditure?
Your experience is different than mine then. I suggest you get out and find other places where management isn’t so bad.
Well hey I’m not in a union and I’ll insult you too, fish lips.
Yeah, how dare people ask you for [checks notes] evidence of radical claims. What is the world coming to?
How do you think unions in other countries gained the reputation and power that they have? Being in a union is the first step to have a better union.