• seathru@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Or, how about we let people put whatever they want into their own body?

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      Normally I’d agree, but cigarettes in particular are a product that is designed to be as addictive as possible with a laundry list of negative health impacts and virtually zero positive ones. Combine that with the fact that you aren’t just putting it in your body but the body of anyone within breathing distance of you, there’s a strong case to be made for banning them outright.

      Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

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        Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

        Yes. Yes they should.

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        Combine that with the fact that you aren’t just putting it in your body but the body of anyone within breathing distance of you,

        That’s part of responsible use. I’m ok with only letting smokers smoke in specialty ventilated & filtered areas. Easy for me to say, I don’t smoke. But if any adult wants to make an informed decision to, that should be their choice.

        Put it another way, if cigarettes are legal then marijuana, LSD, MDMA, and a whole host of other drugs should be legal too.

        I emphatically agree.

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        Maybe they could just regulate what they put in them instead? Good tobacco is pretty tasty and not insanely addictive. Why not just basically put them in legacy mode?

        They’ve already hit a crazy stride with vapes. Maybe they could do a 5-10 year plan where the clean it up while also gaining the foothold that they have with younger people?

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          Good tobacco is … not insanely addictive

          Nah, nicotine is very addictive by itself. But yes, the additives make it even worse.

          I agree though, it’s disappointing that governments don’t have better labeling regulations on “sinful” products. Alcohol: why not require a list of ingredients and calories? Cigarettes: same thing, show what it has been processed with, etc? Like how the EU used to require showing how much tar and nicotine each cigarette contained, but realized all the producers started to fake the testing machines by designing holes in the filters (like “light” cigs) where the user’s lips would otherwise cover when smoking.

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              Cigarettes != tobacco. Tobacco is an ingredient in cigarettes, and not the only one, not by a long shot. Literally dozens of additives are included in cigarettes, many of which are designed to make them more addictive.

              Secondly, modern tobacco absolutely was “made” the way it is, first through selective breeding and then genetic modification to (among other things) increase Nicotine content. Much in the same way that modern weed is far stronger than the stuff grown 50 years ago, so too is tobacco.

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      1 year ago

      Tell that to all the smokers trying to quit who wish their younger self had not started in the first place.

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            Do we need to ban everything that a shitty parent might not be able to keep away from their kids?

            Why not expand the definition of child abuse to include these things instead of punishing people who are never around kids?

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              Why not expand the definition of child abuse to include these things instead of punishing people who are never around kids?

              That sounds like a great idea, but it’s going to be impossible to enforce.

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            I mean, nicotine does saturate things when you smoke in an enclosed area. It’s impossible to paint over the stained walls of a smoker’s house without chemically stripping them first, because all the accumulated tar will just seep through the paint and leave brown stains. There’s no way that shit’s healthy.

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                Are you suggesting that tar doesn’t contain nicotine or other harmful substances found in cigarettes? Because lol.

                That’s okay though, I’m sure you are very special and immune to it.