It’s weird. The simple fact of being watched and told what you can say. And the possibility that what you’re saying is being edited and what you’re hearing is edited too.
This strikes me as abhorrent. But most of the people here call it necessary, preferable and even desirable.
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What do you want? To be private or avoid censorship?
You haven’t been censored in the sense that it’s plain for me to see from your post history you’ve been on a crusade against “them” in the past couple weeks. Some of your posts were unpopular but they haven’t been removed. I am “watching you” in the sense that I can see that post history, but I know nothing of you aside from that.
On people “telling you what you can say”, it’s just as much a right for people to express what they do and don’t want to listen to as much as it’s your right to express yourself. (And as a sidenote: the Canadian standard of application of your rights has been within “reasonable limits” since the adoption of the Charter in the 80s).
The design of lemmy is that there is not one set of rules to do or not do unlike Reddit. If you are not happy with how you are treated on one server, leave and join local communities on another, or start your own.
Im honestly confused. Youre mad that the post youre making in a public space so that anyone can see it, is seen by anyone? Youre mad that people want rules in these spaces, so it can be a friendly place instead of devolving into a cesspit? If you want to talk privately, yes of course this isnt the space to do so.
Theres plenty wrong with the surveillance state the entire world is moving to, but your take seems to be a hot one.
I mean, it’s been around as a concept for a couple centuries. If anything I’d say that it’s “on the out” as something seriously suggested in popular discourse. It’s just that we’ve semi-accidentally built the infrastructure to implement such a thing very quickly.
But most of the people here call it necessary, preferable and even desirable.
To be clear, where’s “here”? Lemmy, your IRL location, somewhere else?
What is it that you want to say but can’t?
It’s already happened, cell phones for example. In the early days of internet 1.0, it was widely expected that everything you say online could be observed by the authorities. Of course, the people at this time were all nerds, we didn’t have computers in our pockets making access for the nudniks and normies so easy.
Wake Me Up When (Eternal) September Ends.
Yeah, but my point is most of the people here will actually argue in favor of it. Saying that it’s the best and only way etc. you got to wonder where that came from
most of the people here will actually argue in favor of it
On Lemmy? This is the place that’s jazzed for GrapheneOS releases so they can degoogle their phone. We go on and on about private messenger apps, Proton, running non-corporate OSes, and privacy. Most of us are here because we don’t like the shitty direction Reddit is taking.
I think you can make the argument that generally people are ambivalent about privacy, but Lemmy is a definite exception to that rule.
Unless a person lives in a cave, there is almost no way around it.
This isnt 1984. You have as much freedom to say whatever you want as you did in an equally-dense area in 1955, and you’re exactly as subject to what you say being reported inaccurately.
What’s changed is that you actually have a plausible ability to broadcast yourself. Today’s equivalent of newspapers and TV stations have infinite channels and infinite paper, and mostly just let you say whatever you want.
If you do cross that “whatever” , though, they can and do refuse to publish your stuff, but you’re free to go elsewhere.
And if it’s actual surveillance you’re worried about… Well, much hasn’t changed since “Enemy of the state” and you should be practicing both good privacy safeguards and rhetorical defense of the same whenever you can.
No, we are not.
This strikes me as abhorrent. But most of the people here call it necessary, preferable and even desirable.
I don’t and I won’t ‘call it necessary, preferable and even desirable’. That’s a nightmare that’s being build right before our eyes, with the (often unconscious) complicity of a lot of us (me included, for many years).
Here in France, certain ideas are literally outlawed from any public discussions (it’s in the law, what an impressive feat from a country so proud of its promotion of free speech). But it’s everywhere and at every level, even in the way we’ve learned to not use certain words in our everyday exchanges or to not try to understand something a little better before condemning it—we do like all the people around us, we hate what and who we’re being told to hate.
That’s why I steer away as much as I can from digital means of communication. And do as much as I can offline and the analog way.
Younger people have probably never experienced it but good old snail mail (as well as in-person talks) is still private by default (that too is in the law, at least here, doesn’t l mean it’s above the law, which is fine, but at least it’s private). Also, it’s not tracked or algorithmically quantified and validated by anyone.
Mandatory disclaimer (because we live in this absolute moronic age of ‘either you’re with us, or you’re against us’ angry crowds): me protesting against the growing (self-)censorship of any idea does not mean I endorse any of those censored ideas. It just means that I think censorship is a terrible way to fight any idea. As history have shown us countless times.
Panopticon?
A concept for a prison model where the cells are arranged circling a central watchtower. No one misbehaves because the tower could be watching you at any time
Google it. It’s a system where you’re watched all the time.
