• mavu@discuss.tchncs.de
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    21 days ago

    Having to wait with a black screen before the video starts is completely acceptable to me.
    Having to watch Ads is not.

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    21 days ago

    Nebula’s getting better and I spend more time there now than on YouTube. Happy that YouTube is working hard to encourage this transition.

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        20 days ago

        Philosophy tube and jet lagged are both longer than 8 minutes, I think nilered is on there as well and is definitely longer than 8 minutes.

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        20 days ago

        There’s a ton of content that’s much longer. There’s no 8-minute limitation.

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        20 days ago

        It’s not for everyone, but I think it’s reasonable to pay for a platform that pays its content creators fairly. I spend a lot of things watching videos, and even though my income is limited, some kind of payment for the service makes sense.

        I don’t mind blocking ads on YouTube because they used unfair practices (endless resources from Google) to destroy the competition and become the only video provider. They put us in a corner and deserve to be put in one too.

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            20 days ago

            I mean that’s fair : value is relative.

            The main value of Nebula is no ads. I have YouTube on Firefox with uBlock Origin, so no ads either, but shitty performance due to YouTube fighting the AdBlocker. But more importantly I don’t think the ability to watch YouTube with no ads is a given, so I want to have a viable alternative.

            And secondly, I want to support the creators and a platform that sees me as a customer, not as a data-cow to be milked.

            I’m sure Nebula will eventually have a free tier, but that can incur high costs and degrade the experience for paying users. They’ll do it when they feel comfortable.

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        21 days ago

        “I want endless curated content for FREE! NO ADS. NO PAY. ONLY CONTENT.”

        This guy, probably.

        Probably also thinks the minimum wage is theft.

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      22 days ago

      Using uBO, but have noticed a slightly longer delay of a few seconds between hitting play and the video starting, but I can deal with that over being forced to watch 30s of ads.

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        22 days ago

        Honestly it just felt like youtube’s servers were shittimg themselves again, so I baely even register it as a real interruption.

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    22 days ago

    Google will never get a cent out of me, willingly.

    If it gets annoying enough, and FreeTube stops working, I’ll find something better to do with my time.

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    21 days ago

    I pay for YouTube premium so that I can leave the app and listen to videos. I still get ads even though I’m paying. I don’t think there’s a single surefire way to avoid them.

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      20 days ago

      Get Revanced or Newpipe or something like that. You get the same benefits you’re paying for, plus many that you aren’t, and it’s all for free. Not only that, but you’re not giving you’re money to Google.

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      19 days ago

      Use Firefox + ublock origin.
      Start the video, get out of the app/lock you phone, then swipe down and click on ‘play’ on the media controls.

      This works on andriod, unsure about ios.

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    21 days ago

    Don’t care, still better than the ads.

    I’ll sit for 2 minutes in front of a black screen and it’ll still be better than 45 seconds of ads.

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    21 days ago

    I was paying for a whole family (premium). But I will not pay and send money to a fascist state. We’ve cancelled all our us based services.

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    21 days ago

    Not only that but the bit-rate as of late seems horrendous, 1080 looks more like 720 or lower with artifacts all over the place.

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      21 days ago

      Yes, some video have a 1080p Premium high nitrate quality option that you need to pay for. It’s just the standard quality, but the free 1080p is now shitty.

      It’s very sad there isn’t anything that can even remotely compare to YouTube at this time. All the content is there, can’t get it elsewhere. At least with Firefox, ublock and SponsorBlock, it’s bearable.

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    22 days ago

    If they know I’m blocking their ads, why wouldn’t they just block the video altogether? That’s what they currently do.

    If it’s already blocked, slowing it down to “blocked… but slower” seems rather pointless?

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      22 days ago

      It’s a tarpit. If they simply displayed a blocked “no vids for u” message, you’d get outraged, go complain online, look for workarounds, and eventually find a bypass. If everything still works but poorly, you get annoyed, turn off your adblocker to troubleshoot, possibly blame the adblocker for being “buggy” and keep it off. Their help page solution implies they are hoping for just that. There is no “smoking gun” blocked message to go complain online about, even though it is indeed their servers that are degrading your connection on purpose in secret. Or maybe you give up and leave their ecosystem entirely, which is no big loss for them.

      The proper solution is to develop an adblock that they cannot detect is blocking ads. This may require actually downloading the ad video in background, and then lying that the video has played.

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        22 days ago

        I’ve been wondering about that, also perhaps a browser where your mouse position has seperate client and software side states? I know a lot of data can be gleaned from mouse movements so if the browser only updated its internal cursor position when you actually clicked that would potentially cut out that source of information?

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          21 days ago

          In the ultimate, you’d need to do something like run a headless browser in a virtual machine, have it play out and record the entire video, then use something like AI to splice out the ad segments and distracting elements (a souped-up sponsorblock will work for a while, but eventually ads will be injected into the raw video stream at random intervals), and present the pristine finished content to you. Basically we are going to re-invent TiVo all over again xD.

          In worst case, you can’t start watching until the pre-roll ad timers expire. This is how adblocking works on Twitch streams currently - you can only see a purple screen even if you block the ads.

          And yes, the headless browser will need to use AI for human-like mouse movement and to solve captchas - basically whatever state-of-the-art technologies spammers and scrapers are already currently using.

          Google is anticipating this future and is trying to implement and force hardware-based DRM for web video before then.

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            21 days ago

            AI might be overkill? I recall back in the day people working out which images where manipulated by the way the underlying flow of colour and pixel layout didn’t line up, each image ends up with a kind of grain of different size and direction. You could spot ads by detecting which image data doesn’t line up with the majority and cutting it out that way.

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              21 days ago

              I know Lemmy hates AI, but this actually would be a perfect use for it. The problem is the idea of what an ad is. Yes, you could try to use secondary characteristics like image color or sound normalized volume (WhyTF do youtube ads still sound 3x louder than content? are we living in cable era again?), but they would be error-prone for any content more visually intense than a podcast. They would also not capture sponsorblock content like “I love showing you all these foreign countries but what I love even more is having my internet connection secure” that match the video flow. A crowdsourced lookup table of all known ad clip fingerprints would go a long way, until ad videos themselves start being AI-generated on the fly for that sweet personalization revenue.

              No, what I really want is to distill the idea of what I want to see into an AI and have it filter out what I don’t want to see for me. I know an ad when I see one, so AI can too. Pre-roll/mid-roll ads? Gone. Sponsorblock content? Gone. Like and subscribe? Skipped as if it didn’t exist. Virtual billboards on the sidelines of sporting events? Overlayed with kittens. Idiocracy banners squeezing the video from either side? Cropped and rescaled. Watermarks? Excised and content-aware-filled.

              The last frontier is when the content itself is secretly an ad, imprinting upon you some idea or point of view. You’ll have to watch out for that one on your own.

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    22 days ago

    “Might”? They’re already doing it.

    YouTube in Firefox with Ublock Origin is getting throttled down to 1500kbps. I can’t watch anything above 720p on my desktop anymore (with gigabit internet).

    YouTube ReVanced on mobile and SmartTube Next on the TV still thankfully work without issues.