So, no warning, indiscriminate attacks that will,purposely harm civilians? This is awful. Hamas have already said they will execute hostages if there are unwarned attacks, so we can expect this to escalate on both sides.
Sadly, yes. Israel is probably getting ready for an ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip. As per the hostages, it seems like Israel has deemed them as dead already.
From the linked article, emphasis mine:
In certain circumstances, [roof knocking] will be used, the source says, but today Israel is already evacuating masses of the Gaza populace from central terrorist areas and attacking there.
There are also reports of people being ordered to leave their homes and head to the cbd, which is then bombed. It’s a warzone, though, so I’m sure we won’t get fully accurate information.
If only there had been a way for Hamas to not start this escalation…
The situation is older than Hamas.
Goalposts
I didn’t set any goalposts and I reject the ones set by people who see the previous status quo as acceptable.
Like if they weren’t denied basic rights and locked up in a ghetto for decades to be indiscriminately murdered by Israel as they colonise Palestine?
If only…
How come neither Jordan nor Egypt will accept them? Why does Egypt have a checkpoint?
Sorry what does that mean? Nearly half of the Jordanian population are ethnically Palestinian.
I have seen this argument before. Could you explain what you mean by “them” and what you mean by Jordan not accepting them?
As in, the country of Jordan does not let them in because they can’t handle a sudden influx of 2 million people?
Think I’ve also answered the question as to how this would likely go, though.
Jordan has opened its borders to Iraqi, Palestinians, Syrians, etc. They have a general policy of taking in refugees. I don’t think Jordan does a good job treating those refugees well, but it’s almost a diplomatic certainty that Jordan would let them in.
So what exactly are you basing your opinion on?
And why is ethnic cleansing your solution here?
Sorry I don’t see where I said anything about ethnic cleansing but go off bud
What do you think removing peoples from their land is?
Your solution is for them to leave their homeland before they’re killed. That’s ethnic cleansing by result.
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Being forced to go somewhere isn’t ethnic cleansing. Killing people is. You’ve got the wrong definition of ethic cleansing.
two wrongs don’t make one right
How does that saying apply here?
Aren’t you defending the Israelian Armys indiscriminate Attacks or did i misinterpret that?
How do you know they’re “indiscriminate“? Isn’t that a spin in itself that proves you’re not neutral? (Hint: it is)
I am very much neutral.
Go through my Comment History and you’ll see how much i hate both sides
Actually, i’ll save you the work. Here: https://lemmy.world/comment/4367347
But to answer your questions: Israel itself has announced it.
Cutting off Food and Energy from the entirety of Gaza doesn’t seem very targeted to me, does it?
If anything, you are biased. You are hellbent on making the Israelis look like the good guys here, unwilling to admit that sometimes there is no good guy and both sides are absolute shit
If you move the goal posts, you’re not neutral. People are taking Hamas’ side IN THIS INCIDENT, but Israel wouldn’t have done anything what they’re doing since two days if Hamas hadn’t attacked the day before.
If people deny that fact and start to point to past events or the overall situation, they aren’t serious people and can simply be ignored.
Hamas attacked first.
maybe hamas shouldn’t have killed hundreds of civilians purely to provoke a response? maybe the Palestinians should leave now? maybe they shouldn’t vote a dead cult like Hamas in as their government?
Yes, Hamas should absolutely not have killed a single Israeli civilian or any civilian period. But none of your maybes justify more killing of civilians in Gaza.
Even if people in Gaza, who are constantly all their lives between a rock and a hard place with no clean water and no future prospects, voted for Hamas, still it does not justify Israel killing civilians.
Yes, I agree completely
I never said it ‘justifies’ it. Unless the civilians clear out, it is unfortunately inevitable. The difference is israelies arent going to be using their forces specifically to target civilians, unlike the other lot of animals
And go where exactly?
who cares where. away. theres an open border. stop pretending they have no choice
Stop pretending you have the first clue about what you’re talking about and educate yourself. Thanks.
great retort genius
none of your maybes justify more killing of civilians in Gaza.
War is war.
If the allies had avoided making any civilian casulties, the nazis would have won the war.
Not even that justifies it /:
It’s not ethical. It’s war. War isn’t like in the movies.
Hitler could have spent the war in an appartment in the middle of Berlin, safe in the knowledge no one would ever dare bomb him. Stalin could have nuked NATO, safe in the knowledge NATO wouldn’t ever retaliate. If we allowed monsters who hide between civilians get away with it, they would inherit the earth. ISIS could tie a few civilians to the top of their tank, and murder us all. The Lord’s Resistance Army could have freely marched into town to procure a few more child sex slaves, because they were protected by the children they had previously abducted.
There are no good guys or bad guys in this conflict. Both sides have stolen land. A third of Israel’s population are ‘arab’ jews. They’ve lived in the region for millenia, and have just as much right to a country as the Palestinians. Let’s not pretend they’d be safe in a Palestinian state or welcomed if they fled to neighbouring countries, given how popular Mein Kampf still is in the region. You’d be exchanging defacto Apartheid for genocide.
And let’s not pretend that the Israelis have always undermined the peace process. For example, it’s no coincidence that Israeli politics shifted to the right after 2000, when Arafat walked away from further negotiations at Camp David, something even the Saudi ambassador described as criminal, and despite the Israeli PM offering far reaching and deeply unpopular concessions. Of course, Israel also helped Hamas’ rise to power, so once again no good guys or bad guys.
It’s a mess and now it’s a messy war.
All we can do is urge both sides to limit civilian casulties, not target them deliberately, but they are inevitable.
Where the fuck do you expect over 2 million Palestinians to go? They can’t exactly walk right into Israel.
they literally can’t leave, and haven’t had an election since 2006
so hamas is a terroist dictatorship. who broke into their neighboors place, slaughtered hundreds of innocents for no reason at all, kidnapped dozens more and threaten to kill them, and these are the guys you think are awesome
least bloodthirsty lemming
and these are the guys you think are awesome
what? I never said that. fuck hamas and fuck you for suggesting I’d like them
This person seems to think that criticism of Israel makes us Hamas-lovers. Not sure where this shit is coming from.
This shit is coming from Israel.
Criticism of Israel is antisemitism and sympathy for Palestinians is terrorism.
It’s double plus good speak.
I’ve seen this rhetoric before here and I don’t understand the goal. Berating everyone who isn’t sucking Bibi’s dick and calling them terrorist lovers isn’t going to create any good will towards Israel, quite the opposite.
im sorry, ive been called a ‘zionist’ (whatever the fuck that even means), a bootlicker, pro-apartheid for simply giving a fuck about people being murdered yesterday. so forgive me if im gonna call out your bullshit
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Perhaps get off the internet and stop involving yourself so much in something that likely doesn’t affect you. You went into the fire and then complained about it.
no, the furious downvotes and rambly angry replies mean a whole bunch of you little murder lovin basement dwellers are actually getting annoyed by my comments, which I can only call a win
No one thinks they’re awesome. We just don’t want civilians to pay the price for their blood thirsty unelected leaders.
No one thinks they’re awesome
You should read some of the comment sections on lemmy. Hell, people even have been celebrating on the streets of foreign countries
We are reading the comment sections on lemmy.
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Leave? How?
I cant beleive how stupid so many of you are
