“Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused.”

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    "Israel says “Hi civilian we’re about to bomb this building because a Hamas target is inside. Please leave so you are not hurt.”

    Hamas responds with “Go stand on the roof.”

    But your suggestion is that Israel is somehow the bad guy there?

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      You “know” that because the very people bombing civilians told you so.

      Only a very special kind of person would trust killers when they provide unverifiable “justifications” for their killings that just so happen to blame somebody else and excuse their actions.

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        Just so I’m clear, which aspect of what I described do you believe does not happen?

        Just wanna know the right one to cite.

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            Israel warning people by phone, leaflet, and then “door knocking” while Hamas tells them to go to their roof/“form a human shield” https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/world/middleeast/by-phone-and-leaflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0

            Here’s their own words, calling all Palestinians to be martyrs

            Article 8 The Hamas document reiterates the Muslim Brotherhood’s slogan of "Allah is its goal, the Prophet is the model, the Qur’an its constitution, jihad its path, and death for the sake of Allah “is the loftiest of its wishes.” https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

            From wikipedia because I don’t want to read the whole charter. original charter linked below the quote (and on the Wikipedia page)

            Here’s a phone call showing the greater scale of how seriously they take viewing every Palestinian as a martyr, by forcing people to remain in the North at gunpoint

            https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1713500050511253928?t=g9Z3zsdfyW3wxIvuMxuHVg&s=19

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              Warnings like?

              On Saturday, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari issued what he labeled an “urgent military advisory” video message on X, warning Gazans that the military is set to “neutralize” Hamas with “precision and intensity.”

              “For your immediate safety we urge all residents of Northern Gaza and Gaza City to temporarily relocate south. This is a temporary measure. Moving back to Northern Gaza will be possible once the intense hostilities end,” he said.

              Since the message, many took to X to raise questions and concerns related to the communications blackout Gaza residents are facing and how they’re expected to hear the urgency to relocate.

              Mehdi Hasan, host of The Mehdi Hasan Show on MSNBC, asked, “How are Palestinians in Gaza, who have had their electricity and internet communications cut off by the Israeli military, supposed to hear/receive this ‘urgent’ message from the Israeli military?”

              Lindsey Hilsum, international editor at British broadcaster Channel 4 News, questioned the message by posting to X, “Hard to see how this ‘urgent message’ will get to the citizens of Gaza as the Israelis cut internet and mobile phone.”

              Ayman Mohyeldin, host of AYMAN on MSNBC, noted the IDF’s use of English to issue their message rather than using Arabic.

              “The spokesman for the Israeli military is speaking in English, rather than in Arabic, to the residents of Gaza in order to deliver to them an urgent message on social media, a day after the Israeli military cut off all telephone and internet communications to the people of Gaza,” he wrote on X>.

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                Warnings like the things I posted earlier.

                I am aware that Israel is bad at propaganda. If anything, that’s further evidence in my favor.

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                  In your favor… wow you are truly amazing at spin. Keep making the argument that I was right about you being a duck.

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                    If you intend it that way, you’ll need to add your context.

                    As-written it reads like a reply to the wrong comment

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      Yes, because people that care about not killing Innocents would say “why don’t we go in shoot just the terrorist instead of leveling the whole block?”

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        Urban combat results in more civilian casualties. Urban combat is a hellish meat grinder.

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            Yes now imagine how easy it is to ambush there. Now imagine you live in the area still. How dangerous would an army be forced to view you as?

            You should really read up on urban combat. Aleppo has a lot of documentation on it.

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          Lmao. No. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. An Infantry fight in an urban area sucks but it’s far less destructive than leveling entire blocks with explosives.

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            Less destructive but more fatal to civilians.

            It’s weird you don’t know this, honestly

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                Fewer civilian casualties is literally the reason the US started using drone strikes instead of boots on the ground.

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                  Dude. They started using drones because there’s no congressional hearing when a drone is shot down in some random African country. But you lose one green beret and there’s years of hearings. That’s why we went to drones.