An attempted carjacking Saturday night left a 13-year-old dead after a security officer shot him; another boy, 12, is in custody
A lot of people seem to mistake carjacking for car theft. Especially mentioning that the person who shot the 13 year old was a security officer gives a wrong impression on what happened.
Carjacking is when the robber(s) take control of a car with a person inside the car. This is what happened here, with the security guard being inside the car. Under these circumstances it’s perfectly reasonable to consider shooting the robbers and it’s unreasonable to expect the security guard being able to identify the robber as a 13-year old harmless child. There is significant plausible risk to the person inside the car to warrent lethal force during self-defense.
Car theft is stealing an empty car. Shooting someone would be entirely unreasonable during a car theft.
The article doesn’t mention wether the car had window tint and the two kids where unaware of the person inside or if they intentionally tried to rob the person. That information might change what can be considered reasonable response.
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Imagine how fucked and shitty your life has to be, to be a 12 or 13 year old trying to carjack people.
Not bad at all. Rich kids do horrific shit all the time. Like rape people, drive drunk and kill people, etc etc forever. This is just some kid who played gta, had some mental issues, went out and did shit, then didn’t have rich immoral parents to pay people off and bury it.
I didn’t suggest rich kids were immune?
But they are. 🤷♂️
It’s lemmy! Where regardless of what topic you bring, you’ll just get “rich people suck” and “fuck capitalism” as incoherent, tone deaf responses.
I’m not tone deaf. They’re saying that their life must suck. I’m saying that shitty behavior isn’t related to quality of life. I get that you’re center-right and middle class and tired of having to hear people talk about topics that don’t apply to you personally. But… grow up.
Being rich doesn’t mean your life doesn’t suck, just that you don’t have money problems.
Did you have a shitty childhood too?
Being rich and having a fucked up and shitty life aren’t mutually exclusive.
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rape people, drive drunk and kill people
one of those is not quite as bad as the others
I think you think there are three items in that list when there are only two.
The article links to another article and identified it with the boy who was killed. He went on a one night crime spree brandishing a gun and carjacking two cars and assaulting another in a failed carjacking. It’s a crazy world.
That’s not normal behavior, it’s just sad. Society is failing
Society is failing
how often does this sort of thing happen versus 20 years ago
We did some pretty fucked up things when I was a teenager and while our lives did suck, the risky choices and crime were from being young and stupid, not poverty.
Having nothing to lose is a hell of a thing
Being in prison or the juvenile court system is rarely an improvement regardless of how much your life sucks.
Imagine how many people have shitty lives and don’t carjack people at 12.
Imagine how many people have refrained from writing a wholier than thou comment about a 12 year old child
Sorry, i have shitty childhood disorder, couldn’t help it.
Some shitty 12 and 13 year old kids have great childhoods and are just shitty.
not everyone gets a decent childhood
Note to thread: An off-duty security officer with the U.S. Marshal’s Service is not a security guard.
Rumour has it that she called him by his full name – middle name and all.
And took off her slipper?
La Chancla! 🩴
Kamehamechancla!
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The worst part of this is that a security guard (not even a police officer) shot and killed a 13 year old child for attempting to steal a car. No one’s life is worth more than some vehicle
Your own life and safety is worth shooting and killing someone over, you don’t know what someone’s intentions are when they approach you.
Also, just let them take your stuff? Fuck you. Do you think I have the money to just go and buy a new car at the drop of a hat?
it looked like it was a US marshal. it doesn’t justify a life, but i would be hard pressed to find a marshal that would react differently to an attempted car jacking.
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“Security guard” = US Marshall
“13 year old” = person on a crime spree who had a loaded firearm (deadly weapon)
“Steal a car” = steal a car with the US Marshall still inside, most likely while threatening them with previously mentioned firearm.
This person is the one who put the value of a car above a human life. If someone is willing to put a gun in my face for the sake of personal gain, I see no way how defending myself, even with deadly force, would be not justified.
Carjacking ≠ car theft
Imagine youre sitting on the toilet taking a shit and I kick the door down and throw you to the ground and start overflowing your porcelain throne with gallons of sticky, oily poo juice.
It’s a tad worse than me breaking in and just taking your toilet back to my place and having my way with it there.
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For me that’s the best part, guess we’ll agree to disagree!
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If somebody is threatening your life for your stuff then they are still threatening your life. Their motive doesn’t change the fact that they are threatening to kill you.
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Once again the actual intent doesn’t matter because that was only known to them. The only people who knew if they actually had weapons or not were them and you’re going to fault people for believing them when they said they did. They were threatening another persons life (once again no one knew they were faking it except them) that is the only thing that maters in this situation.
They knowingly made the marshal believe they had weapons, was the marshal just supposed to let themself get shot? There are a lot of things to criticize US police for, but protecting themselves when there is a clear, deliberate, and imminent threat on their lives is not one of them.
Yes it’s sad that a troubled kid with an underdeveloped brain made a stupid decision and was killed for it. But that doesn’t make it ok to victim blame someone for defending themself from a threat upon their life.
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Ok rather than childish name calling, explain to me how that marshal had any way of knowing what their intent was. Also it is convient how you left the last part of that sentence off.
Name calling is all he knows.
Well, that and the very clearly made up stories
Seems most people here think you are the monster.
That person cannot know the intent, only that it appears their life is threatened, your shortsighted if you cannot see that.
Courts tend to disagree with you. Even if a weapon is simulated, if used as a threat, it’s often considered the same as actually having the weapon, because the victim is threatened just the same.
pardon me sir, please may I verify the lethality of your weapon before we continue this discourse?
If I poke you in your back with a stick and say “do exactly as I say and you might, just might, live through this”
Are you seriously going to:
- go “nah bro, I don’t believe you, go home, you’re drunk” or
- are you going to take me very fucking seriously and not only comply but also try to think really hard and fast about getting out of dodge using any (and I do mean any) means necessary because you reasonably assume I have a loaded gun pressed against your back?
If you answer the first option, then we stop now, as you’re clearly being dishonest.
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you won’t believe me
Correct. I did not.
I think I’m just pretty dumb
At least we agree on something
Cops told me the guy was a simple mugger who had been working the block for about a month, and I should have just given him my wallet, but they also seemed pretty jazzed to have his gun.
And then everyone clapped
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Yet again you’ve missed the point. And now you reply with emotion and anger instead of thinking, even for a moment.
I can tell you again and again, as others have done. However, sadly I cannot make you understand.
For the record, I do not own any weapons. Never have and probably never will.
And there’s the idiot bringing race into this
You argue like a child. Assuming you’re a tankie.
What about self defense when in a car?
What about self defense in a box?
Self defense from a fox?
Self defense on top of rocks?
Self defense like fort Knox?
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Your inability to comprehend basic written information is concerning.
Maybe block this instance, your opinions seem incompatible with the majority opinion here.
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Low tier fruit here.
Error, no balls where found on this specimen, only salty tears
Great arguement, were all convinced you’re not an illiterate shitstack now.
