Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination, said on Saturday that he would kill off a Pacific trade pact being advanced by U.S. President Joe Biden if he were to win the 2024 election and return to the White House.
A vote for Biden does more to help Palestinians than your support for Trump does.
Man. Imagine having not only the privileged arrogance you demonstrate in your previous post, but also the blind conceit to accuse others of hypocrisy when you can’t even see how the consequences of your own actions lead to more harm for the people you claim to care about.
You’re broadcasting “let them eat cake” levels of arrogant privilege.
If you can choose between “less genocide” and “more genocide” and you don’t choose “less genocide,” then you have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on.
Look, if pointing out this issue gets you this angry, it should be a clear sign that deep down you understand the problem and your cognitive dissonance is deafening you to it. Refusing to have a conversation and just resorting to tantrums and namecalling is a bad look, and it betrays the emptiness of your moralizing.
The words “dumb fuck” have never felt so misused as they do when coming from you.
For the millionth time, your position supports the man who wants to be a fascist dictator and commit more genocide.
Drop the arrogant moralizing and climb down from the pedestal you’ve put yourself on, and wake up to the pure leopards-eating-my-face garbage that your stupid tantrum is promoting.
If we can make Biden understand that we won’t vote for him without a ceasefire, don’t you think that maybe that will pressure him to change his position? Or do you believe that he is so 100% committed to supporting genocide that absolutely nothing can change his mind?
I’m pretty sure that Biden is a reasonable politician who has shown over and over again throughout his long career that he both listens to people and that he is willing to change is mind. He’s done so time and time again.
Man it’s unfortunate that you privileged moralizing purists are not as reasonable as Biden. You guys absolutely refuse not to support more and worse genocide for some awfully stupid reason. I would love to see you change your mind and actually work towards the greater good.
Okay, so if Biden can change his mind, isn’t it our duty to pressure him to change his mind?
I’m sure we can do that. And if we do that, I can vote for Biden without supporting genocide. Wouldn’t that be great?! If you didn’t have to choose the lesser genocide, but actually could just stop the genocide? You said it yourself, he can change his mind! Let’s help him do so.
And that means holding his feet to the fire. You blue-no-matter-who voters have zero leverage and no voice. We’re the swing voters now.
Definitely it’s our duty to pressure him to change his mind. In fact, there are so many ways to do that. But holding your vote hostage is not one of them.
In fact, holding your vote hostage is just about the worst thing you could do, because 1) Biden will never know about it, since it amounts to a mere mathematical 1 or a 0 that doesn’t bring any information to him, and 2) it directly supports the election of a candidate who would bring more genocide. If genocide is your single-issue-vote, and it sounds like it is, then you are absolutely making the worst political choice you can. That’s not my opinion; that’s a mathematical fact.
You blue-no-matter-who voters have zero leverage and no voice.
Never was a more clueless statement expressed on lemmy.
My dude, like you said it is our duty to reach out to him and try to change his mind. Politics is not decided once every four years in the ballot box. That’s how presidents are decided. Politics is policy, and that is decided every day of the year. If you sit on your ass and every for years you make a protest vote in support of the greater evil, you are the exemplification of the “idiot swing voter” who is so dumb they vote against their own interest. In other words, the exact kind of person who the GOP bamboozles in order to retain their power.
If your goal is to minimize genocide, are you honestly comfortable playing the role of a stooge who actually helps bring about more and worse genocide???
Throw out this idea that a protest vote will do anything helpful at all. A protest vote mathematically helps to serve the person who you least want elected. This is a mathematical fact. For example, if you hate Democrats but you just don’t love Trump enough, so you do a protest vote for the Libertarian candidate, your ballot is actually doing more to help Biden! And conversely, if you absolutely don’t want Trump to win, but you don’t like Biden enough to vote for him so you do a protest vote for Greens, or a write-in for AOC, or whatever, you are actually giving support to Trump!
This is mathematical fact, not some opinion of mine and the other posters here. That’s what we’re trying to illustrate to you and those like you.
I sympathize with your position. I would prefer AOC, or Bernie, or some other candidate than Biden. But the election is a binary choice, and doing anything other than voting for candidate A or candidate B works out mathematically to supporting the candidate you favor the least.
So back to holding Biden’s feet to the fire. Do that. Always do that. March, sign petitions, be an activist. Write emails to Biden. Write to your senators and House representatives. Be active in politicians beyond pressing a button once every four years. That’s how you make a difference.
And if you actually care about genocide as much as you post about it, then please grasp the undeniable reality that a protest vote actually undermines your own cause.
My dude, like you said it is our duty to reach out to him and try to change his mind.
That’s why I’m going to try and reach out to make it known to their campaign that this will keep me and many other people from voting for him. I encourage everyone to do this. I’m not going to sit on my ass and do nothing, I’m going to rub their noses in the fact that they are destroying their own reelection chances by supporting genocide.
This is leverage that you are just leaving on the table. What influence do you have if your vote is guaranteed? They can ignore everything you say or want because you’re locked in. Your marching is worthless, your petitions are worthless, your activism is worthless, you are nothing to them because they already have your vote. Why should they give a shit about you?
Me? I want to make it clear that my vote and the votes of many other progressives are on the line. They think they can ignore us because we’re locked in. We have to tell them they’re wrong, they have to understand that they can’t ignore us or they will lose.
Again, blue-no-matter-who voters are irrelevant to them. They can exploit you as hard and long as they want and you’ll beg for more.
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A vote for Biden does more to help Palestinians than your support for Trump does.
Man. Imagine having not only the privileged arrogance you demonstrate in your previous post, but also the blind conceit to accuse others of hypocrisy when you can’t even see how the consequences of your own actions lead to more harm for the people you claim to care about.
You’re broadcasting “let them eat cake” levels of arrogant privilege.
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If you can choose between “less genocide” and “more genocide” and you don’t choose “less genocide,” then you have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on.
Look, if pointing out this issue gets you this angry, it should be a clear sign that deep down you understand the problem and your cognitive dissonance is deafening you to it. Refusing to have a conversation and just resorting to tantrums and namecalling is a bad look, and it betrays the emptiness of your moralizing.
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The choice is not genocide or no genocide. The choice is less genocide or more genocide.
I’m choosing less genocide.
You’re saying you’re not ok with genocide, and therefore you choose more genocide.
Your position makes no sense.
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The words “dumb fuck” have never felt so misused as they do when coming from you.
For the millionth time, your position supports the man who wants to be a fascist dictator and commit more genocide.
Drop the arrogant moralizing and climb down from the pedestal you’ve put yourself on, and wake up to the pure leopards-eating-my-face garbage that your stupid tantrum is promoting.
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If we can make Biden understand that we won’t vote for him without a ceasefire, don’t you think that maybe that will pressure him to change his position? Or do you believe that he is so 100% committed to supporting genocide that absolutely nothing can change his mind?
I’m pretty sure that Biden is a reasonable politician who has shown over and over again throughout his long career that he both listens to people and that he is willing to change is mind. He’s done so time and time again.
Man it’s unfortunate that you privileged moralizing purists are not as reasonable as Biden. You guys absolutely refuse not to support more and worse genocide for some awfully stupid reason. I would love to see you change your mind and actually work towards the greater good.
Okay, so if Biden can change his mind, isn’t it our duty to pressure him to change his mind?
I’m sure we can do that. And if we do that, I can vote for Biden without supporting genocide. Wouldn’t that be great?! If you didn’t have to choose the lesser genocide, but actually could just stop the genocide? You said it yourself, he can change his mind! Let’s help him do so.
And that means holding his feet to the fire. You blue-no-matter-who voters have zero leverage and no voice. We’re the swing voters now.
Definitely it’s our duty to pressure him to change his mind. In fact, there are so many ways to do that. But holding your vote hostage is not one of them.
In fact, holding your vote hostage is just about the worst thing you could do, because 1) Biden will never know about it, since it amounts to a mere mathematical 1 or a 0 that doesn’t bring any information to him, and 2) it directly supports the election of a candidate who would bring more genocide. If genocide is your single-issue-vote, and it sounds like it is, then you are absolutely making the worst political choice you can. That’s not my opinion; that’s a mathematical fact.
Never was a more clueless statement expressed on lemmy.
My dude, like you said it is our duty to reach out to him and try to change his mind. Politics is not decided once every four years in the ballot box. That’s how presidents are decided. Politics is policy, and that is decided every day of the year. If you sit on your ass and every for years you make a protest vote in support of the greater evil, you are the exemplification of the “idiot swing voter” who is so dumb they vote against their own interest. In other words, the exact kind of person who the GOP bamboozles in order to retain their power.
If your goal is to minimize genocide, are you honestly comfortable playing the role of a stooge who actually helps bring about more and worse genocide???
Throw out this idea that a protest vote will do anything helpful at all. A protest vote mathematically helps to serve the person who you least want elected. This is a mathematical fact. For example, if you hate Democrats but you just don’t love Trump enough, so you do a protest vote for the Libertarian candidate, your ballot is actually doing more to help Biden! And conversely, if you absolutely don’t want Trump to win, but you don’t like Biden enough to vote for him so you do a protest vote for Greens, or a write-in for AOC, or whatever, you are actually giving support to Trump!
This is mathematical fact, not some opinion of mine and the other posters here. That’s what we’re trying to illustrate to you and those like you.
I sympathize with your position. I would prefer AOC, or Bernie, or some other candidate than Biden. But the election is a binary choice, and doing anything other than voting for candidate A or candidate B works out mathematically to supporting the candidate you favor the least.
So back to holding Biden’s feet to the fire. Do that. Always do that. March, sign petitions, be an activist. Write emails to Biden. Write to your senators and House representatives. Be active in politicians beyond pressing a button once every four years. That’s how you make a difference.
And if you actually care about genocide as much as you post about it, then please grasp the undeniable reality that a protest vote actually undermines your own cause.
That’s why I’m going to try and reach out to make it known to their campaign that this will keep me and many other people from voting for him. I encourage everyone to do this. I’m not going to sit on my ass and do nothing, I’m going to rub their noses in the fact that they are destroying their own reelection chances by supporting genocide.
This is leverage that you are just leaving on the table. What influence do you have if your vote is guaranteed? They can ignore everything you say or want because you’re locked in. Your marching is worthless, your petitions are worthless, your activism is worthless, you are nothing to them because they already have your vote. Why should they give a shit about you?
Me? I want to make it clear that my vote and the votes of many other progressives are on the line. They think they can ignore us because we’re locked in. We have to tell them they’re wrong, they have to understand that they can’t ignore us or they will lose.
Again, blue-no-matter-who voters are irrelevant to them. They can exploit you as hard and long as they want and you’ll beg for more.
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You’re so obviously not a mature adult.
Do you literally not understand that US presidents don’t control the domestic affairs of other countries?