Nah, more sick of this whiny narrative from people gave up, that’s become so pervasive, people seem to use it to make themselves feel better about either never really trying, staying in a bad situation, or doing drugs till they’re 36 and then wondering why they don’t have nothing.
Gonna blow your mind here. Both can be true! People can make it work with some effort and (even you) a ton of luck, but that doesn’t also mean there’s not A HUGE issue. I guarantee you every single person who is struggling day-to-day, and doesn’t have some kind of reality-altering mental illness, wants to improve themselves. Most people either don’t know how, or have tried and tried and tried and just not been fortunate to find their break. Instead of being met with “ah, man, that’s rough bud. Let’s see if we can figure out some resources to help” though, it’s “get a job, don’t do drugs, pull yourself up with those bootstraps you bought (no handouts here!) And fuckin grind til you get it you worthless maggot!” One of those approaches will actually lead to people doing better for themselves, and it’s not the one you chose.
I guarantee you every single person who is struggling day-to-day, and doesn’t have some kind of reality-altering mental illness, wants to improve themselves
I can 100% guarantee you this is false. You are dramatically underestimating the number of people who are happy living with nothing if it means they don’t have to try hard.
I’m literally in favor of paying these people money just to spend, and totally supporting their life of uselessness, but we need to accept that a shitload of these people exist or there cannot be any serious discussion about reforms.
Most poor people want to not be poor anymore. However millions of poor people are poor because they don’t want to work at all, and only work as much as they have to in order to pay core bills.
You can’t “save” those people because they don’t want to be saved. Their quality of work sucks, too, so the best thing for everyone is just to have a gov program give them cash and let them contribute to the economy through spending.
See, I think those people are living their best lives already. There’s no saving them because there’s nothing to save them from. But I bet they’re still improving their lives in other ways. Everyone wants better for themselves, we just don’t always agree on what better IS.
I agree that there is nothing to save them from. They absolutely get to choose how they want to live their lives.
I simply disagree with the idea that they want to better themselves at all. That doesn’t match my experience, having worked with thousands of people like this.
I wasn’t really big on UBI until I really learned about this entire subclass. They’re what sold me on the concept.
Again, I think they’re still working on improving their situation in their own way. They don’t WANT what we see as improvement. For us, improvement is comfort, money to live, a better home, etc. For some people, it could be achieving an altered brain state. Or reading a book. Or spending a day walking the streets. All of this would, in my view, be “trying to improve your situation” - they all make you more comfortable. They may not be long-term viable, or what the broader society may define as improvement, but that’s kinda irrelevant.
Well, something must be weighing you down if you’re on here being shitty at the thought of people needing a bit of help to get out of their rough spot. Hopefully by the time YOU’RE 60, you can get that sorted. It’ll make you feel better.
Could be. Could be I’ve seen so many die to opiod/fentanyl reasons I’ve took a real dim view of recreational use. Addicts need help, sure, not my point though.
Why are you so bitter, old man?
Let me translate for them:
Nah, more sick of this whiny narrative from people gave up, that’s become so pervasive, people seem to use it to make themselves feel better about either never really trying, staying in a bad situation, or doing drugs till they’re 36 and then wondering why they don’t have nothing.
Gonna blow your mind here. Both can be true! People can make it work with some effort and (even you) a ton of luck, but that doesn’t also mean there’s not A HUGE issue. I guarantee you every single person who is struggling day-to-day, and doesn’t have some kind of reality-altering mental illness, wants to improve themselves. Most people either don’t know how, or have tried and tried and tried and just not been fortunate to find their break. Instead of being met with “ah, man, that’s rough bud. Let’s see if we can figure out some resources to help” though, it’s “get a job, don’t do drugs, pull yourself up with those bootstraps you bought (no handouts here!) And fuckin grind til you get it you worthless maggot!” One of those approaches will actually lead to people doing better for themselves, and it’s not the one you chose.
I can 100% guarantee you this is false. You are dramatically underestimating the number of people who are happy living with nothing if it means they don’t have to try hard.
I’m literally in favor of paying these people money just to spend, and totally supporting their life of uselessness, but we need to accept that a shitload of these people exist or there cannot be any serious discussion about reforms.
Most poor people want to not be poor anymore. However millions of poor people are poor because they don’t want to work at all, and only work as much as they have to in order to pay core bills.
You can’t “save” those people because they don’t want to be saved. Their quality of work sucks, too, so the best thing for everyone is just to have a gov program give them cash and let them contribute to the economy through spending.
See, I think those people are living their best lives already. There’s no saving them because there’s nothing to save them from. But I bet they’re still improving their lives in other ways. Everyone wants better for themselves, we just don’t always agree on what better IS.
I agree that there is nothing to save them from. They absolutely get to choose how they want to live their lives.
I simply disagree with the idea that they want to better themselves at all. That doesn’t match my experience, having worked with thousands of people like this.
I wasn’t really big on UBI until I really learned about this entire subclass. They’re what sold me on the concept.
Again, I think they’re still working on improving their situation in their own way. They don’t WANT what we see as improvement. For us, improvement is comfort, money to live, a better home, etc. For some people, it could be achieving an altered brain state. Or reading a book. Or spending a day walking the streets. All of this would, in my view, be “trying to improve your situation” - they all make you more comfortable. They may not be long-term viable, or what the broader society may define as improvement, but that’s kinda irrelevant.
While I agree with you philosophically, this made me laugh out loud.
Yeah yeah, just keep telling yourself that. Maybe when you’re 60 and still broke and renting, it’ll make you feel better.
Well, something must be weighing you down if you’re on here being shitty at the thought of people needing a bit of help to get out of their rough spot. Hopefully by the time YOU’RE 60, you can get that sorted. It’ll make you feel better.
And there’s the projection, right on cue.
No projection needed, you display it well enough on your own
“no u” brilliant
I’m 39 and I do drugs a lot and I pretty much guarantee I’m more successful than you, given what you’ve said.
Maybe let’s leave the drugs out of this discussion
Could be. Could be I’ve seen so many die to opiod/fentanyl reasons I’ve took a real dim view of recreational use. Addicts need help, sure, not my point though.
I’ve also had a lot of bad experiences with friends and opioids. I feel you there for sure, and understand the comment a bit better.