Ubisoft Exec Says Gamers Need to Get ‘Comfortable’ Not Owning Their Games for Subscriptions to Take Off::An executive at Assassin’s Creed maker Ubisoft has said gamers will need to get “comfortable” not owning their games before video game subscriptions truly take off.

  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    10 months ago

    “A lot”

    Yes, a lot.

    Can you play the games by purchasing them and then not having to ever download them using Steam?

    Yes.

    The only DRM free games are physical copies

    No. Evidently you don’t know what Digital Rights Management is.

    If you can run it with no launcher, no software verifying purchase, you can back it up, copy it, distribute it, etc, then it’s not DRM.

    otherwise you rely on a specific service to be able to play, even if it’s only once (like with GOG), it’s a form of DRM.

    Wait, what? You think buying a DRM-free game from a storefront is a form of DRM?

    Ok then, let’s use that logic. Buying a physical game from a shop is therefore also DRM, because you have to buy the game from them.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      10 months ago

      Proportionally it doesn’t look too great

      https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam

      `>Can you play the games by purchasing them and then not having to ever download them using Steam?

      Yes.`

      Tell me how do you buy a game on Steam and play it without downloading it from their servers? 🤔

      Wait, *what?* You think buying a DRM-free game from a storefront is a form of DRM?

      It is, you depend on a digital storefront to have a proof of ownership and to download the game in the first place.

      Buying a physical game from a shop is therefore also DRM

      What’s digital about physical copies?

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        10 months ago

        Tell me how do you but a game on Steam and play it without downloading it from their servers? 🤔

        Downloading a DRM-free game from a web store is not DRM no matter how much you repeat that it is.

        It is, you depend on a digital storefront to have a proof of ownership and to download the game in the first place.

        It isn’t. The files can be copied and distributed any way you like. Same goes for GOG. A DRM-free game is a DRM-free game. It can be copied.

        What’s digital about physical copies?

        It’s still digital. It contains digital data… come on, you can’t seriously be unaware of this. Is a digital camera not digital because it stores the data on a physical SD card?

        Physical media has DRM too. CDs, DVDs, BluRays, game cartridges all have DRM.

        Your argument that buying something means it’s DRM is nonsense. Buying something from a physical shop and buying something online isn’t different. They both require you to hand over money to get the game files. They’re either both DRM or neither are.

        • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          Which is the only way you can own and play a game without an internet connection?

          That’s the only true DRM free and true ownership experience.

            • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              10 months ago

              Yes it is as you depend on the goodwill of a digital platform. If Steam bans you how do you prove that you own the “DRM free” games you’ve bought from them and haven’t simply pirated them?

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                edit-2
                10 months ago

                Why would you need to prove anything? The whole point of DRM free is that you don’t need to prove anything, you just run it.

                By saying that you want a mechanism for proving ownership, you’re essentially saying you want DRM.

                If steam bans me, I run the executables that I’ve downloaded. Same as I would if I pirated it.

                Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft can block you from playing your physical media, and yet you claim that isn’t DRM, because the data exists on a disc/cartridge, rather than stored on an SSD.

                You are showing a fundamental cluelessness of what DRM actually is.

                • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  10 months ago

                  Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft can block you from playing your physical media

                  Only if there’s an online component to the game. If I go buy a brand new Switch and a physical copy of Mario Kart, there’s nothing Nintendo can do to stop me from playing the game.

                  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    edit-2
                    10 months ago

                    Not true. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo can and do brick peoples systems, e.g. when they’re reported stolen or someone modifies their system. You rely on their goodwill every time you use the system or launch a game.

                    And Switch game cartridges literally contain DRM lmao

                    Nice job ignoring the rest of my comment.

      • Euphoma@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        10 months ago

        That list doesn’t have literally every DRM free game, almost every VR game I have doesn’t have DRM and they are not on the list.