We’ll keep repeating the same 5 statements because they’re the truth. Like I said, you don’t have to like it, but this is reality. Not voting for Biden is bad for the US. If you think your morals are stronger and more important than voting to help benefit the lives of millions, then you do you. It just means your selfish and pro fascism.
You also have the black and white take on geopolitics. There’s more nuance to somethings than others. I’m appalled by what’s happening in Palestine, and would love to drop all support for Israel. In fact, I work for a manufacturing company that is machining parts that will likely be used to kill innocent people over there. I’m actively trying to find a new job and that’s one of the biggest driving factors. Unfortunately, I have bills and shit so I’m stuck until I’m not. I have no love for current events and decisions, but I’m far more concerned with the future of this country and our allies’s future based on the upcoming election.
You have two options for POTUS, that’s it. Doesn’t matter how hard you want a third option, there’s two. One is exponentially better than the other one. You can vote for the better option and give the world a better shot at a better future, you can vote for the worse option which is bad for everyone, or you can not vote or vote third party, which is bad for everyone unless you were going to vote for Trump in the first place.
Those are facts, no way around it. You can cast whatever vote you want from you high horse. There’s only one benefitial option though. Help Trump and Russia, or help the rest of the world. There’s no in-between. If that doesn’t click with you, you must either lack empathy or have zero understanding of how the world works.
Any person that thinks running anyone but the incumbent in this political climate or votes third party is a fucking moron. The facts are plain. Not being able to comprehend that you have two choices, and one is clearly better than the other says a lot about you. I could certainly link to a laundry list of great things Biden has accomplished the last 3 years, but you don’t care. You are pro Trump, that’s clear as day, I just don’t understand how anyone can be so ignorant to how the real world works.
Agreed, but whether you’re happy with it or not, one of them WILL be president come next year. There are a lot of other issues in the ballot that impact people’s lives as well. Being a single issue voter is how systems like this ratchet up in the first place.
Ok, so lets do this: you provide me with a realistically accomplishable path to help get biden off the ballot/not elected, without giving the house away to Trump and his sycophants, then I’ll take you up on it. I’ve written letters, I’ve been at rallys, I’ve been at protests…etc. What else do you see me (and others like me) realistically being able to do to change the course of the election without, again, letting that dumptruck of shit that is Trump and his GOP back into positions of power?
Or, perhaps you should think better of us, and not believe we’re just parroting a spoonfed belief. Try to understand the perspective of someone who agrees things aren’t great, but they don’t want it to get even worse.
I can fully understand the perspective of not wanting to show any support at all for Biden. I don’t agree with it and I think it’s overly idealistic, but I understand the position. I know it comes from a place of genuine care and anger and concern. And that lets me have more civil conversations about this.
I don’t believe you are regurgitating what the establishment wants you to. You simply are. Facts don’t require beliefs.
I am not being idealistic. I am beimg practical. The administration lied to us, like countless before them. The vote from the people is not what matters anyway. It is not based on popular vote. More people voted for Hillary but Trump won the electorate. We are caught in the ratcheting toward fascism by two parties playing us for fools, making us think they are enemies when they are all working for the same empire.
I cannot in good conscience vote for a man letting a genocide happen. I cannot in good consience vote in an election that i know will not stop the amerikan empire from accomplishing its goals.
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We’ll keep repeating the same 5 statements because they’re the truth. Like I said, you don’t have to like it, but this is reality. Not voting for Biden is bad for the US. If you think your morals are stronger and more important than voting to help benefit the lives of millions, then you do you. It just means your selfish and pro fascism.
You also have the black and white take on geopolitics. There’s more nuance to somethings than others. I’m appalled by what’s happening in Palestine, and would love to drop all support for Israel. In fact, I work for a manufacturing company that is machining parts that will likely be used to kill innocent people over there. I’m actively trying to find a new job and that’s one of the biggest driving factors. Unfortunately, I have bills and shit so I’m stuck until I’m not. I have no love for current events and decisions, but I’m far more concerned with the future of this country and our allies’s future based on the upcoming election.
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What exactly do you think I’m sowing?
You have two options for POTUS, that’s it. Doesn’t matter how hard you want a third option, there’s two. One is exponentially better than the other one. You can vote for the better option and give the world a better shot at a better future, you can vote for the worse option which is bad for everyone, or you can not vote or vote third party, which is bad for everyone unless you were going to vote for Trump in the first place.
Those are facts, no way around it. You can cast whatever vote you want from you high horse. There’s only one benefitial option though. Help Trump and Russia, or help the rest of the world. There’s no in-between. If that doesn’t click with you, you must either lack empathy or have zero understanding of how the world works.
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Any person that thinks running anyone but the incumbent in this political climate or votes third party is a fucking moron. The facts are plain. Not being able to comprehend that you have two choices, and one is clearly better than the other says a lot about you. I could certainly link to a laundry list of great things Biden has accomplished the last 3 years, but you don’t care. You are pro Trump, that’s clear as day, I just don’t understand how anyone can be so ignorant to how the real world works.
Agreed, but whether you’re happy with it or not, one of them WILL be president come next year. There are a lot of other issues in the ballot that impact people’s lives as well. Being a single issue voter is how systems like this ratchet up in the first place.
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Ok, so lets do this: you provide me with a realistically accomplishable path to help get biden off the ballot/not elected, without giving the house away to Trump and his sycophants, then I’ll take you up on it. I’ve written letters, I’ve been at rallys, I’ve been at protests…etc. What else do you see me (and others like me) realistically being able to do to change the course of the election without, again, letting that dumptruck of shit that is Trump and his GOP back into positions of power?
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I agree with your overall sentiment, except for Bernie. No more geriatrics should be running. These guys are statistically a little lucky to be alive.
Perhaps you should consider our arguments more seriously if a multitude of people are all coming to these conclusions.
“coming to these conclusions” you mean being spoonfed non-critical rhetoric and then furiously regurgitating it
Or, perhaps you should think better of us, and not believe we’re just parroting a spoonfed belief. Try to understand the perspective of someone who agrees things aren’t great, but they don’t want it to get even worse.
I can fully understand the perspective of not wanting to show any support at all for Biden. I don’t agree with it and I think it’s overly idealistic, but I understand the position. I know it comes from a place of genuine care and anger and concern. And that lets me have more civil conversations about this.
I don’t believe you are regurgitating what the establishment wants you to. You simply are. Facts don’t require beliefs. I am not being idealistic. I am beimg practical. The administration lied to us, like countless before them. The vote from the people is not what matters anyway. It is not based on popular vote. More people voted for Hillary but Trump won the electorate. We are caught in the ratcheting toward fascism by two parties playing us for fools, making us think they are enemies when they are all working for the same empire. I cannot in good conscience vote for a man letting a genocide happen. I cannot in good consience vote in an election that i know will not stop the amerikan empire from accomplishing its goals.