But according to some geniuses, both parties are same.
Considering the totality of the suffering they cause they’re almost identical.
If you actually believe that…
What the FUCK is going on in this theocratic third world country with cellphones and guns??? How the fuck is the US still considered a leading nation???
If you step outside the US you might find out we’re not viewed as leading.
Threatening? Manipulative? Maybe even petulant? Sure. But leading by fear first, everything else after. Now we add fear of our instability to the mix alongside with the normal fear of economics or bombs.
The only people saying we’re a leading nation are the ones wanting you to feel good and/or ignore all the bullshit we do inside and out. The ones that yell “leading” or “greatest” the loudest are the ones fucking us over the hardest.
And there it is. This is the main reason I’m effectively pro-choice, while technically being pro-life.
In case anyone cares, here’s my specific policy preferences:
- women can never be charged with a crime for seeking an abortion - it’s the woman’s right to do with her body as she chooses
- the government should not be involved at all while miscarriage risk is high (say, 20 weeks or so)
- doctors should be the targets for any illegal abortion procedure, and medical data cannot be the subject of a subpoena (that would otherwise violate the women’s privacy)
- after the initial “hands off” period, doctors (or anyone other than the mother) could only be charged with a crime for knowingly performing an abortion illegally, and abortions would be allowed to preserve the mother’s life or to euthanize the child if complications would be significant
- if a mother decides to not keep the baby, the delivery should be performed as early as is safe, and the costs would be covered by the state
I’m okay with abortion being technically illegal, but the above would likely make it legal for all intents and purposes, and I’m okay with that.
Tell me you understand nothing about the risks of pregnancy without telling me.
Natural miscarriages =/= abortions.
One is planned, controlled for, with after care. The other one can potentially lead to sepsis and death.
I completely agree with you, and that’s precisely why I’m effectively pro-choice. Women should have absolute privacy here.
My wife has had a miscarriage before, and my coworker had to walk back a pregnancy after a miscarriage. I’m absolutely sympathetic to that, hence why I’m so adamant that privacy is always respected. I also think women have absolute control over what they do with their body, so even if they are trying to induce a miscarriage, I think the should be completely free to do that and never the subject of a criminal charge.
I’m not sure how what I wrote could be misconstrued to the contrary.
I’m okay with abortion being technically illegal, but the above would likely make it legal for all intents and purposes, and I’m okay with that.
Do you have any ideas how few doctors are going to be willing provide care if this is the state of abortion law?
I’m okay with abortion being technically illegal
As someone who has never been involved with an abortion and would not want that choice made, I am not.
Why wouldn’t doctors want to? The first trimester is essentially a blank check (the vast majority of abortions), and everything after that has a pretty high bar (intent plus sealed medical history). The likelihood of anyone getting charged is incredibly low, especially if they can point to any form of medical expediency.
It would be similar to the self-defense laws in many red states, they’re so loose that charges almost never stick if there’s any possibility that it was self defense.
Just say you hate women.
Yeah seems that way. People who think it’s okay for abortion to be illegal, whatever concessions they make, all seem to fall into the same few camps. Hate women, don’t understand the risks and long term effects of pregnancy on the human body, or don’t understand that an abortion is almost never done on what’s considered a baby. Generally a venn diagram that is almost an even circle.
You guys keep repeating that line when its obviously bullshit. It not about hating or controlling women, its obviously about believing the fetus has the right to protection. I just dont understand how you guys are falling for the line about wanting to control women.
I would believe this more if the people who were prolife also believed in other socially progressive policies, but it seems their care and respect for the dignity of a human (or fetus in this case) ends after it’s born
This is another line that is wrong. I dont like “progressive policies” because they create slaves of the state and I emphatically disagree that they are actually helping the people they are supposed to be helping. The war on poverty would be the best example of this.
Well, the alternative is slaves to corporations, which isn’t going so well. The only reason it’s not worse is government interventions. There is a significant percentage of the population that can’t fend for themselves or have little value to employers. Your approach basically condemns them to die or live in abject poverty. It also causes crime as they run out of other options. There’s no reason that a society with as much wealth as we have has to be this way. Everyone deserves to have at least food, shelter, medical care, and basic necessities. As technology advances, the share of the population with no value to employers is likely to grow significantly in the near future, so you may find yourself eating your words
