One reason Telegram is doing so well is that its clients are just so DAMN good and feature rich.

They already kinda went public with a crypto token scam.

Personally with XMPP, I think it’s right now because of the lack of decent looking clients (especially on iOS), as well as a lot of the same friction that people have suffered with mastodon.

Also, Signal is built towards a completely different audience that places privacy first over modern messaging features (things like API’s, sending messages through voice assistants, etc.). And for SimpleX, I’m not really sure if sharing a QR code/link with someone else is the best route to go in UX just to message a friend

Xmpp was designed for ease of federation and simplicity in implementation. Most messaging apps these days are designed, or at least say they are designed, with privacy first. There probably are plugins for xmpp to allow for e2e encryption and contact list and metadata privacy from server admins but that depends on the server and will probably not be as secure as signal. Just as signal can be federated but it’s complex and not really worth it.

There’s a tradeoff between privacy/security and federation/decentralization and most people value privacy and security more.

I struggle to understand why XMPP isn’t the de facto messaging standard around the world,

I suspect that normies subconsciously want all popular messaging services to be insecure.

Humans are often self-confident in a bad way about imagined chaos.

So if a service in insecure, then some day (as that dreaming normie thinks) they might “come to darkweb” and find “a hacker” to help them against something bad. After all, that’s how movies show life.

And if a service is secure, then, that normie thinks, it’s either a scam or at least something that movies have not prepared them for. Same with encrypting mail.

Well, there’s the death knell.

Like Microsoft, EA, facebook, twitter, reddit right? With the amount of corporate death nerds within their bubble have been predicting, there would be no evil corporations. and yet, here we are.

Stop overestimating when your intuition tells you what’s a death knell.

Not that it was awesome to begin with, just a stepping stone to get people away from WhatsApp.

People can use Signal, XMPP, Telegram and also whatsapp depending on their privacy requirements. Modern smartphones are capable like that.

I used to use scp to transfer files off of remote servers 20 years ago. You don’t see me recommending it every time dropbox gets mentioned. Cool down with self-agrandizing bs.

Lol 🤣

For sure, there’s nothing less valuable than data brokering