• CableMonster@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    You dont get something for nothing, either prices have to rise, or the government is propping up companies that are that ineffient that workers are only doing 32 hours in a 40 hour work week.

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      8 months ago

      Which is disproved by Germany. When you compare Germany to surrounding countries, the economy of workers that now only work 35 hours per week, has not declined by comparison to neighboring countries.
      Other factors are way more significant, like wealth distribution, economic environment, and quality of public services. If you look to UK they are way worse off, because they have generally fucked up and used economic thinking similar to republicans.
      Also look at Denmark, we have one of the least number of yearly work hours, yet we are among the highest paid in the world. With almost no natural resources to benefit from.

      If you are unwilling to progress, there will be no progress.

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          Yes! And the closer you get to zero the more we approach infinite roofs per hour, because that’s the way it works with humans, you simply multiply and divide and add and subtract, it’s really that easy, I wonder why people make it so complicated and add in completely unnecessary stuff like health and well being? /s

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            8 months ago

            You can be snarky if you wish, but I am just pointing out the flaws in the idea that if you lower hours people will be as efficient.

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      8 months ago

      Many workers already only work 32 hours a week and fill a chair while bullshitting the rest of the time. Many people do that because they would burn out otherwise. Cut the hours by 25% and it’s more reasonable to expect people to actually work. Right now even supervisors don’t crack down on that behavior because it’s just generally accepted that you can’t push people that hard or productivity starts to fall. Imo 30 hours/week is the sweet spot for productivity and cutting down wasted dead time.

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        8 months ago

        And that would be under the government is propping up companies that are that ineffient.

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          8 months ago

          Don’t know where you get that idea from. If you cut out the hours where employees sit around wasting time, you get the same productivity for less hours worked. There’s no difference besides time saved. Government has nothing to do with it, as revenue is not affected.

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            8 months ago

            The government creates a hedge of regulation protection for large businesses. Also the government directly gives money via contracts, between 20-25% of the GDP is government spending, and that is just on the federal level.

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      8 months ago

      You should probably update your economic knowledge.

      Study after study over the last 20-30 years has shown that productivity remains or increases when switching from 40 hrs to 32.

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        8 months ago

        And that would be under the government is propping up companies that are that ineffient.

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          8 months ago

          If you mean that the common best practice of working 40 hrs/week is inefficient, then yes.

          Governments aren’t pushing for 40 hr work weeks, socialists and industrialists of the early 1900s were, and the rest is conservatism.

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              8 months ago

              I don’t know if there’s any studies made specifically on framers, but machinists and manufacturers have been reported to, and of course almost anyone in a knowledge job.

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                  I’m saying there’s independently verified, peer reviewed, and repeated research that show that many jobs keep or increase their productivity.

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                    8 months ago

                    So then you would need to dive into why that is true. I actually agree with you because I had a job like that when I was not self employed. And the reason I could be ineffient was because it was directly government funded. The only reason a machinest and manufacturing job can be ineffeicinet is because of government involvement.