I believe we’re already there. Collapse is slow and honestly boring
Yeah, people seem to expect a large sudden catastrophic shift… but, day to day we’re all dying out here as corporate greed sucks us all dry.
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paid to be shitty human beings.
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Romans didn’t suddenly wake up in ruins one day and decide to become medieval instead.
Here’s an unpopular opinion: we’re gonna make it.
Things will change. Societies and cultures will change. The environment will change. We will adapt.
There will be challenges. There have always been challenges. We will overcome them.
There are enormous reasons for optimism. We are on the cusp of spreading out into the solar system. Everyday people have access to all of the knowledge in every library on the planet. We have the opportunity to become what our ancestors could only have dreamed of.
Don’t let headlines or fatalism or tunnel vision distract from the big picture. We as a species are going to make it.
EDIT: I’ll just leave this here. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aap8731
Without serious degrowth in the economy, something the type of economy we have won’t allow, or mass genocide the human race will be beyond lucky to see the 2200s. Genocide being wrong, we only have one viable option and we will have to force it on those in power, if we are to stand any chance.
The spirit of capitalism is not going to return us, draped in the splendor of new technology, to spirit us away to a new, perfect home amongst the heavens where we will be absolved of our past planetary transgressions and all live in perpetual growth forever.
We’ve heard that story before and, this time, need a better solution.
Based on … What? A general sense of malaise?
Malthus was full of shit.
We’ve got nearly unlimited raw materials and energy available in the solar system. Now we have the technology to utilize them. That’s exactly what we’ll do.
No, the endless scientific reports that show a clear trend in data that you have already chosen to ignore in order to arrive at the conclusion you decided you would reach long before you reviewed any data.
Again, no, our saviour isn’t going to come from the heavens. A can-do attitude isn’t going to fix the problems we have. The answer isn’t to capitalism harder.
It costs billions just to bring a few rocks back from the moon. What on earth has convinced you we can bring back enough to sustain an entire planet?
Why bring rocks back when there’s plenty of ore underfoot?
Also did your “countless studies” that you totally read and didn’t just skim the headlines of not mention the natural trend of declining birth rates as education levels increase? Kind of seems like an oversight for someone who thinks there’s too many humans.
Plenty for what exactly?
I see, not content with making up your own science and your own reality, you have to make up that I only read the headlines. Oh, and despite me clearly saying genocide is of course wrong, I apparently think there’s too many humans too. Definitely a pattern emerging with you.
I think we can see how you came to your “conclusions” and it certainly wasn’t the mountains of evidence proving you wrong.
Some did mention it and some were about energy usage, the lack of materials we need to go full renewable, models of every option other than ECONOMIC degrowth, how ridiculous the idea of the answer being in the stars is, the crazy energy cost just to get closer to fully renewable, the concerted effort of lobby groups to convince people everything will be fine despite the evidence of their eyes and ears, the lack of being able to store renewable energy, the ultra high energy cost of extracting and refining uranium and many, many more problems not resolved by people being born at a slower rate.
Seems a bit too much for toxic positivity to cope with.
You thinking positivity and optimism are toxic tells me everything I need to know about you.
The rest of us are going to move the species forward. The least you can do is try to keep your fatalism to yourself until you grow out of it.
No, toxic positivity is toxic but that you chose to twist that to something no one said says everything anyone will ever need to know about you.
You don’t even care what the truth is do you?
Even then, that pales in comparison to your attempt at dismissing hard evidence and the scientific consensus of 99.9% of the worlds scientists as “a general millais.” That was hilarious by the way and the peak of arrogance.
Speaking of grownups, we’ll be accepting the evidence of our eyes and ears, despite how adorable as your little appeal to hedonistic nihilism and weaponised ignorance was.
It can be fixed and, as such, its not fatalism. So, wrong on all accounts. All youre doing is further demonstrating your appalling reading comprehension, presuming any good faith from you, which is how you ended up thinking the silly nonsense you’ve come to believe.
Grow up, you don’t know more than all the scientists.
We’ll colonize the inhabitable world in Alpha centauri at around 2205 and the one in Sirius two years later. Deal with it.
Edit: Normies haven’t played Stellaris…awful times.
The planet won’t be able to sustain life before then, if we haven’t changed nearly everything about society. Deal with it.
Edit: again, no, we won’t be transported to a new, perfect home amongst the heavens, washing away our past planetary sins. Youre getting confused with something else.
Don’t be a sucker
Can’t even sort Syria out and you’re thinking about Sirius 😂
What society? All society? Western society? American society? Russian society? It’s too broad a question, but-
The answer will always be greed over wealth and power imo. Greed drives basically all the evil in the world and pours down from top to bottom. We already see breakdowns in society when greed reaches levels that cause people to struggle to survive.
The response is almost always violent, until the balance of power is more equal. There are several nations around the world that are closer to collapse than people would like to believe.
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Southwest has plenty of water for a while. Lots of rain, lots of snow on the mountains.
The cities trucking in their water are unique. They built their cities incorrectly, or are very old. I truck water in, but it’s because drilling a well is a lot more expensive and the water isn’t great unless it’s treated.
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Much of the water in the sw is from the ground and mountains.
Water from the Colorado is used because it’s easier to access. It’s going to be the fire to go and the most observable.
In the desert communities , if you live near a mountain range that gets snow then you’re likely sitting on top of a lot of water.
6 years until a massive coffee crop failure plunges the world into chaos.
Probably a combination of climate cascade effects and another pandemic.
The massive captive factory chicken and pig populations are a ticking time bomb, but changes to ocean current and weather patterns have the possibility of being more like someone flicking s switch.
All these people think they know, as if predictions about the future have ever been more accurate than random chance.
Lack of decent bread in the US. Coupled with some good cheese.
That’s very US self oriented but maybe true who knows 🤗
Seriously on the bread: why is it so expensive, and why doesn’t it fit in my toaster? I used to only buy the cheapest store-brand “bread” but it is so misshapen and falls apart before it even gets out of the bar, not to mention the lack of any taste.
Any recommendations for a good white bread? (White bread being the best kind for grilled cheese; my predominant factor in choosing bread.)
10-20 years, climate change will cause massive drought which will cripple the food supply.
Doesn’t have to be a complete or even large collapse of society, but it’ll definitely hit way way harder than what covid did. Mass starvation in every developing country, food hoarding, some governments pretending to care, some profiteering on limited supplies, the usual.
A lot of the current economic and geopolitical problems are actually solvable even in a final stance scenario. But no one can literally form clouds to replace lost irrigation or reverse climate change in less than a year. Desalination, even on max funding, would not be nearly enough to replace the water that comes from rainfall, especially huge river systems like the Indus, Nile, etc.
Less time than anyone thinks, but more time than what some people want. ;)
It depends on the society. European culture has forever to go for example, while the main Asian and American cultures probably have about three more centuries. I’m going by history when I make those predictions.
But I mean that’s a good thing. Every culture gets replaced by a new culture at some point. We had the roman culture, the greek culture, ancient egypt, the inkas, babylonians… They all went away. Currently we have our current culture. I’m glad it replaced the middle ages at some point. And I’m sure we’re also not the pinnacle of cultures… Something else will follow, if humankind continues to exist.
Martians, Belters, Laconians …
It will be another series of plagued like covid. Each new one will learn to mutate faster and faster until we can no longer keep up with vaccines to stop it. Time frame is probably a could hundred years.
About 30 minutes.
Same reason it always is: end of the round
Can’t collapse if it never got off the ground.
Oh shouldn’t be more than a few hours. Reason? Since when have we needed a reason?
