TLDR: StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher and some other projects are being blocked on 24H2.

One more reason to switch to Linux

  • Shirasho@lemmings.world
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    7 months ago

    Do NOT blame the devs for this. They are not the ones to decide the direction of the product or the priority of the tickets they work. Blame upper management for making these poor decisions and the product managers for being spineless and not pushing back.

    • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca
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      7 months ago

      But Steve Ballmer told me “Developers Developers Developers Developers”

      Are you saying that was a lie?

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      7 months ago

      I’m pretty sure everybody knows it’s not just a couple of developers by themselves churning out windows. Even the project managers are just following orders. Marketing sets the tone upper management picks the path.

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        7 months ago

        Yeah . . . marketing – the department famous for being able to steer the flagship product of a trillion-dollar company.

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          7 months ago

          He said marketing sets the tone (not the path), and that is absolutely true. Many products are killed or poorly received due to the tone poor marketing set.

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            7 months ago

            This is just nonsense that internet denizens tell themselves because they don’t like decisions made in board rooms and can’t conceptualize a business development team. Marketing is following orders just as much as some rando code monkey.

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              7 months ago

              The scary truth is: The CEO scribbles “CLOUD 1ST”, “FOCUS ON ENTERPRISE” and “WIN AS A SERVICE” on a napkin during a 5-star dinner and everyone below them tries to make sense of it and translate it into a business strategy. No one is really in charge.

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              7 months ago

              Thank you. The one arena where the fault really does lie in few enough hands they fit around a biggish table, and the Internet instead makes a nebulous boogeyman out of “marketing” (don’t get it twisted either y’all, I condone zero of the bullshit marketing practices we all hate, but that’s also the same table of people) instead of the board.

              It’s not even secret information. The decision came from the minds of these folks (as they understood what they asked to be measured and think to steer to measure higher numbers of whatever they’re measuring):

              https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/Investor/corporate-governance/board-of-directors.aspx

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      7 months ago

      Unfortunately, blaming the devs seems to be a recurring problem. I remember seeing this in a YouTube comment thread (paraphrased):

      why can’t i insert a bible reference without it becoming blue? i write proverbs 14:23 and youtube turns it into a damn timestamp. f-cking lazy developers, they removed dislikes, now keep preventing adblock and cannot detect a simple quote??

      I replied with something like:

      Hey, stop blaming the devs. It was not their decision to make the unpopular changes, and making a system for detecting if a comment is referring to a book with chapter:verse syntax (not just the bible, and all their versions & translations) is not something they would pay for. For the record, you can refer to Proverbs 14:​23 or any other verse without making it a link. I can show you how but first repent and apologize for undervaluing people’s hard work.

      (Yes, there’s just a ZWSP after the colon. It can be mapped to a key combo if one uses it often.) He did not answer but maybe didn’t see my reply buried way underneath – it was YouTube comments, after all. Legend says that bible references in his video description keep messing up his worship chapters.

    • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      i think its because these words are used interchangeably.

      when people say ‘devs’ i believe they mean the microsoft team in general

    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      The devs are the people who, after seeing everything that Microsoft’s done for the past 30+ years, decided to take a job there anyway.

      • A Basil Plant@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        That’s not a very valid argument.

        First and foremost, most devs probably see it as a job and they do what they’re told. They don’t have the power to refute decisions coming from above.

        Second, in this economy where jobs are scarer than a needle in multiple haystacks, people are desperate to get a job.

        Third, yes, there may be some Microsoft (M$) fan-people who end up being devs at M$. Sure, they may willingly implement the things upper management may request. However, I’m not sure whether that’s true for most of the people who work at M$.

        Your comment suggests to shift the blame to the devs who implement the features that upper management request for. Don’t shoot the (MSN) messenger.