If the owner of the standard notes will now be a proton, doesn’t that contradict this principle? I have a proton email account but I don’t want it linked to my standard notes account. I don’t strongly trust companies that offer packaged services like google or Microsoft. I prefer to have one service from one company. I am afraid that now I will have to change where I save my notes. What do you guys think about this?
To be honest, I was really happy about the news. I love Standard Notes, and I think that Proton acquiring it bodes well for its longevity. Proton is so big now that it is difficult seeing them being bought by someone else. You cannot say the same about Standard Notes. And I would have died if one day we would have seen a “Skiff situation” with Standard Notes. With Proton it is different. It is s company that I really trust.
But I do 100% get the not all eggs in one basket point. In my personal case, I have opted not to use Proton’s VPN or Password Manager services. Specifically not to put all my eggs in the same basket.
I couldnt easily find financial data for Proton AG, but they are still tiny. 100m proton mail users vs 1.5b gmail users. If one of the really big players wanted to, I am sure they could make proton an extremely tempting offer.
Dont forget that 20 years ago, Google/GMail was well trusted as well, once Proton reaches a critical mass with sufficient lock-in, there is nothing stopping them going down the same path Google did.
You are right. There are no certainties in this matter. Proton’s values look and sound good. But things can change and big enough offers can be hard to resist. My revised point is then that since we now know that Standard Notes were open to being acquired, I am happy that it was by Proton and not somebody else 😉
I’m actually shocked at how big that userbase is for Proton. Your point stands that they’re comparatively small against the truly big players, but I would have guessed a few million proton users at most.
That includes free users, in case that wasn’t apparent
I figured as much, but it’s still a lot higher than I would have guessed.
I’m on the opposite of that opinion. I’d love it if proton had a whole suite like Google drive and Google keep all bundled into one secure and private service.
Ok, but what does it mean, is that, when proton will be compromised, all of your data also can be compromised. When we have our data divided between different independent services, compromising one does not mean violating the others.
I don’t know about that. If I use Google to sign in to different separate services, if my Google account is compromised, then so are all the other services, no?
If they’re all independent services then it becomes a hassle. Having to have multiple apps or accounts to manage.
You make a valid point, but I think there should be some kind of middle ground between the two.
Bundles in general are not great…
Companies and businesses benefit from the bundling bias, which usually is an indication that consumers are losing out. By creating bundled packages that people do not fully take advantage of, businesses are getting more money than they usually would and reap a greater profit.
And that’s before we factor in whether it’ll keep people from searching out alternatives thanks to convenience:
The successful deployment of a platform expansion strategy requires leveraging a customer group (composed primarily of end consumers) from one interaction to another, which would entail multiple contractual and technical tactics that differ in their degree of interference with customer choice. The more coercive these tactics are, the more they will resemble the effect that tying and bundling practices have on consumer behavior and thus the more likely to trigger competition law scrutiny.
Companies like Apple also keep people in their ecosystem by offering nice things upfront and then introducing sunk cost issues.
Just depends on what works best for each of us. But personally, I agree with you. It’s not that I think one company owning a ton of the services is a bad thing in itself. But history has shown us that, when a company starts to dominate a certain market, they tend to start becoming tone-deaf to our interests, because they know we can’t (easily) switch and go somewhere else.
What is standard notes exactly and why would anyone use it? I hadn’t heard of it before today’s proton announcement. Private files should stay on your own PC, preferably airgapped, not on someone else’s server .
It’s e2e encrypted and locally encrypted. So the practical impact of the server is for syncing between devices.
The software has caused me endless problems though, and the free version has no support for formatting of any kind
Why not use rsync or even git?
I have been doing passive research on proton to maybe make a switch… I agree with you. At this point, i think I’d rather have my required services with multiple/different providers and use syncthing in-house whenever possible.
While I generally also try to live by that rule and only use Proton for its mail service. Having another Suite option that actually is private. Is what Proton needs to become for “normal” people to adapt to other options outside of Google, Microsoft etc…
@gamedeviancy I decided to change the way how I save my notes. More specifically: Markdown
I got accustomed to it on spezzit FWIW, even without knowing about it in the first place, but then it felt so natural. I even use it here on Friendica, despite it being mostly relied on BBCode.
Now, how do I enjoy it? There are certain apps that save your notes as Markdown files in any folder of your choosing. You can then sync that folder through a cloud storage provider or through Syncthing so you can have your notes available on any device. And that’s it. If I do not like an app (even on one device) I switch to another. My notes stay with me an I can read them even in a normal text editor.
I did not encrypt my notes, but since these are just regular files, I assume you can use something like VeraCrypt to add the folder containing the notes in there and move them that way.
