I mean, does it really make a difference? I agree that more things like this should be protested. But even if you think they’re hypocrites that doesn’t mean they’re wrong now. Put it this way: if they had protested the Saudis, would this protest be totally cool with you?
And obviously the answer is because their university and government are backing and funding this one. If you can’t see the difference in relevance to the average American you have a serious problem.
I can’t speak for the universities, but by many standards the involvement of the US military was a lot larger.
Asides from supplying weapons and intelligence, they were participating in the naval blockade and flying air tankers to help the genocide. 380k dead, that’s 10 times as much as what’s reported from Gaza.
And sure, it was bad, but I think the above poster as well as myself want to make the point that it’s quite arbitrary to take such risks to protest this conflict in particular. I assume most of the protestors have been Kony’d into thinking that this conflict is somehow very special and worth risking their future for.
That said, I think they should be free to do so peacefully and the fucks who are doxxing them should swing
So let’s say the protest works. There’s a cease fire. Good job everyone. So smart and ethically superior.
Now that you’ve all made the world a better place, what is going to happen to the innocent Israeli hostages that Hamas has?
What will happen if Hamas continue to fire rockets into Israel? Like they always have?
If you can’t answer these questions it’s not really because you can’t, it’s because you won’t. It’s a bad faith discussion.
I’m assuming you’re ok with Hamas stealing and diverting the international aid that was intended for improving the lives of Palestinians and diverting it themselves and buying rockets and launching more October 7th style attacks in the future.
I’m sure you’ve all thought this through like the smart people you are.
Hamas likely will keep firing rockets, as killing thousands of children will tend to make their fathers turn pro-Hamas.
It seems to me that you think that whilst the hostages are not returned then the killing should continue, is that right?
As for the rest of your points, yes I have thought about them, no I don’t support Hamas. Someone that can put it better than me is Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish man and arguably the foremost expert on the conflict and certainly the most well read. You should check him out if you really are open to listening to a counter argument to the msm.
Will do. And yes I think the innocent civilian hostages should be returned before the attack on the people who kidnapped them and killed 1800 others still exist. In the Lemmy bubble the hostages are non existent for some reason? Probably because innocent people can’t kidnap and murder other innocent people. The other thing is Hamas must be destroyed. Hamas broke the cease fire. They knew this would happen. They happily used the innocent Palestinians as collateral to advance their own cause.
Do I think a genocide is even taking place? Yes and no. I think there have been some poor actions taken by a small number of idf personal who probably want a genocide, I think this is the exception not the rule, this is normal (not right) for every war. Do I support a genocide? Fuck no. The problem that Israel has is they are fighting an enemy that has many shades of grey. Hamas must be destroyed. The Palestine people have strong support for Hamas which also means they likely support what Hamas did on October 7th. Many may be indirectly helping Hamas - even if they fall just short of picking up a gun or deploying an ied themselves. Should these people be spared?
I am fully aware of the 1800 innocent hostages. I just don’t think the deaths of 30,000 innocent Palestinians is acceptable and I think anybody that doesn’t is deplorable.
I don’t need lemmy for my morals mate. I was born this way, I find it staggering that people like you will justify these abhorrent acts.
As for a few rogue units, the ICC is rumoured to be issuing an arrest warrant for Bibi.
If that’s really true, why weren’t they protesting when the saudis were bombing the hell out of Yemen?
Whatabout whatabout whatabout.
Jfc read a list before trying to argue with people. You’re embarrassing yourself.
I mean, does it really make a difference? I agree that more things like this should be protested. But even if you think they’re hypocrites that doesn’t mean they’re wrong now. Put it this way: if they had protested the Saudis, would this protest be totally cool with you?
And obviously the answer is because their university and government are backing and funding this one. If you can’t see the difference in relevance to the average American you have a serious problem.
Their government and (probably) university were backing the other one as well
But obviously not to the same extent. And I’m sure we can agree that that was a bad thing to do
I can’t speak for the universities, but by many standards the involvement of the US military was a lot larger.
Asides from supplying weapons and intelligence, they were participating in the naval blockade and flying air tankers to help the genocide. 380k dead, that’s 10 times as much as what’s reported from Gaza.
And sure, it was bad, but I think the above poster as well as myself want to make the point that it’s quite arbitrary to take such risks to protest this conflict in particular. I assume most of the protestors have been Kony’d into thinking that this conflict is somehow very special and worth risking their future for.
That said, I think they should be free to do so peacefully and the fucks who are doxxing them should swing
Is your position that US support for Israel is the same as for the Saudis?
Of course not
In Yemen they were practically throwing the bombs themselves
And this is one major reason the level of outrage and protest is different.
So your position is that they didn’t protest Yemen because it was worse?
Fueled by propaganda using this as a wedge issue to get Trump elected.
You pointed at another bad thing and somehow that means that we shouldn’t care about this bad thing?
The US doesn’t finance Saudis bombing Yemen.
They sell them the bombs don’t they?
So disingenuous as you know that you’d be against people protesting that too.
So let’s say the protest works. There’s a cease fire. Good job everyone. So smart and ethically superior.
Now that you’ve all made the world a better place, what is going to happen to the innocent Israeli hostages that Hamas has?
What will happen if Hamas continue to fire rockets into Israel? Like they always have?
If you can’t answer these questions it’s not really because you can’t, it’s because you won’t. It’s a bad faith discussion.
I’m assuming you’re ok with Hamas stealing and diverting the international aid that was intended for improving the lives of Palestinians and diverting it themselves and buying rockets and launching more October 7th style attacks in the future.
I’m sure you’ve all thought this through like the smart people you are.
I would expect them to returned, post haste.
Hamas likely will keep firing rockets, as killing thousands of children will tend to make their fathers turn pro-Hamas.
It seems to me that you think that whilst the hostages are not returned then the killing should continue, is that right?
As for the rest of your points, yes I have thought about them, no I don’t support Hamas. Someone that can put it better than me is Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish man and arguably the foremost expert on the conflict and certainly the most well read. You should check him out if you really are open to listening to a counter argument to the msm.
Will do. And yes I think the innocent civilian hostages should be returned before the attack on the people who kidnapped them and killed 1800 others still exist. In the Lemmy bubble the hostages are non existent for some reason? Probably because innocent people can’t kidnap and murder other innocent people. The other thing is Hamas must be destroyed. Hamas broke the cease fire. They knew this would happen. They happily used the innocent Palestinians as collateral to advance their own cause.
Do I think a genocide is even taking place? Yes and no. I think there have been some poor actions taken by a small number of idf personal who probably want a genocide, I think this is the exception not the rule, this is normal (not right) for every war. Do I support a genocide? Fuck no. The problem that Israel has is they are fighting an enemy that has many shades of grey. Hamas must be destroyed. The Palestine people have strong support for Hamas which also means they likely support what Hamas did on October 7th. Many may be indirectly helping Hamas - even if they fall just short of picking up a gun or deploying an ied themselves. Should these people be spared?
I am fully aware of the 1800 innocent hostages. I just don’t think the deaths of 30,000 innocent Palestinians is acceptable and I think anybody that doesn’t is deplorable.
I don’t need lemmy for my morals mate. I was born this way, I find it staggering that people like you will justify these abhorrent acts.
As for a few rogue units, the ICC is rumoured to be issuing an arrest warrant for Bibi.