I’ve been wondering for a bit why during the time the Democrats controlled the legislature, executive, and judicial branches during Obama’s first term in 2008 more wasn’t accomplished. Shouldn’t that have been the opportunity to make Row V Way law and fix the electoral college? I understand the recession was going on but outside of Obamacare getting passed which didnt go far enough it seems like they didn’t really do much with all that power. Are there other important accomplishments from this time that didn’t get the news they deserved? It seems like the voters have done their job in the past to elect people to fix things and yet we are still here begging people to vote to fix issues like abortion rights.

  • Twinklebreeze @lemmy.world
    507·
    6 months ago

    Democrats have been playing by the rules and norms for far too long. Norms only matter if both teams follow them. Same thing with the rules. If Republicans will change the rules so that they win Democrats have to follow suit or make it illegal. When one side plays dirty, the other can either play dirty or lose. Moral high ground gains us nothing.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      296·
      6 months ago

      The main difference is:

      Republicans do stuff then Democrats challenge it thru the courts.

      Dems challenge their own stuff first, and if they think it’s right after a year or two, they start talking about if they should do it. And Republicans will still challenge it thru the courts.

      You can argue over which path is morally the right one.

      But no one has a legitimate argument that says republicans aren’t more effective.

      They’re skipping steps that take us years to complete.

      I mean, Biden talked about all types of shit he would do when elected. And his first day he said he’d start looking into if he was allowed to do any of it.

      trump ain’t waiting to ask anyone if he can do something. He’s just going to do shit, and we’re going to have to try and fight a bunch of battles at once, all the while his policies are in effect.

      It’s not that they’re fighting dirty and we’re fighting clean.

      It’s that when the gun goes off to start the race, we start stretching so we won’t cramp up.

      Doesn’t matter how slow Republicans are if we give them a 10 minute head start on a 100m sprint.

      • conditional_soup@lemm.ee
        121·
        6 months ago

        This is it. Trump didn’t give a flying shit at all if anything he did was legal, he just went for it, and it worked.

        • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          13·
          6 months ago

          That’s not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

          -Karl Rove

          They know this is how it works and they abuse it freely and are open about what they’re doing. Democrats are fucking pussies in the face of it.

          • nomous@lemmy.world
            3·
            6 months ago

            Turd Blossom is an evil little pigman but he’s not stupid and he’s not wrong. There’s too much discussion and not enough action from the left side of the aisle.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
        12·
        6 months ago

        trump ain’t waiting to ask anyone if he can do something. He’s just going to do shit, and we’re going to have to try and fight a bunch of battles at once, all the while his policies are in effect.

        That IS fighting dirty