deciding what others can or cannot do is a whole other moral discussion.

Cause then it is no longer connected to your body? Why would the same logic apply here? I am confused what argument you are trying to make

I disagree on that. It is a example of the emergency room variation of the trolley problem, as can be read further on here: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem?wprov=sfti1#Variations

Yup in practice it is probably less risky and less invasive to do it early for the host. But that is a separate question. I thought you meant to question the classic “when would it be considered murder” so that is what I responded to.

To answer your question. They consider the argument of “where do you draw the line” to be a red herring.

Consider the following: if a person is in need for a kidney transplant, or else he would die, would it be ethical to force someone to donate their kidney against their will? I think not.

Same applies to abortions. You are being forced to feed a parasitic being in your body, a being that destroys your body in the process. And not having an option to abort would be to take away your bodily autonomy.

As for the line, I think that the person making that choice is the one that draws that line. It is not for us to decide.

Lol I know that place. Funny finding it on here.

It is very easy to get hooked on a toxic ideology when you are desperate. No need to judge so harshly.

iPhone 8, I have been surprised by how long it has lasted so far. Still gets security updates every now and then.

Next phone is probably going to be a fairphone.

Ain’t that just welfare? I thought UBI means that you will get the money, even if you work.

TBH my perspective might be skewed cause I am qualified for disability income, but I choose to work anyway. So I naturally tend to assume that others would do the same.

I too think it is justified. Simply not used to this tone on Wikipedia. Which is why I find it funny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

Never seen Wikipedia this judgemental before