i drank a lot of huel (though i did skip a lot of the flavors) and i have to say i don’t think it’s great. every flavor is too sweet EXCEPT the unflavored unsweetened, but that was a chore to drink. by contrast, i just started drinking soylent original powder and i like it a great deal.

I already drink Soylent and huel. I’m not saying anything about the palletability of vegan food. you seem to be the one fixated on taste.

• approximate percent of soybean that is oil = 20.00
• percent of soy fed directly to animals = 7.00
• percent of soy fed to dairy = 1.4
• percent of soy fed to beef = 0.5
• percent of soy fed to pets = 0.5
• percent of soy fed to aquaculture = 5.6
• percent of soy fed to pig = 20.2
• percent of soy fed to poultry = 37.0
• percent of soy that becomes human food = 20.00
• percent of soy that becomes oil for food = 13.2
• percent of soy that becomes soy milk = 2.1
• percent of soy that becomes tofu = 2.6
• percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc = 2.2
• percent of soy that is fed to animals = 76.0
• percent of soy that is used industrially = 4.00
• percent of soy that becomes biodiesel = 2.8
• percent of soy that becomes lubricants = .03
• percent of soy that has other industrial uses = .07
• percent of soy not fed directly to animals = 93.00
• if all soy not fed directly to livestock were pressed for oil = (approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100) * percent of soy not fed directly to animals
• soy eaten not as oil = percent of soy that becomes soy milk + percent of soy that becomes tofu + percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc
• if all soy not eaten directly by livestock and not as non-oil food is pressed for oil = (percent of soy not fed directly to animals - soy eaten not as oil) * approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100

If we take 7% of all soy out because it’s fed directly to animals, and another 6.9% is eaten, but not as oil, and 20% of each of the remaining beans are made of oil, we find 17.22% is the maximum amount of oil we could get if all the soy beans not fed to animals or eaten by people are pressed for oil.

It turns out that the chart shows 13.2% is oil for humans to eat, and 4.0% is used industrially (and these are all oil uses), totaling 17.2%,then basically all soy not eaten directly by animals or as various human foods is pressed for oil.

source https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2021/02/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

you think good tofu will make people give up their cultural foods and farming tradition?

you’re misunderstanding the chart. it literally says "end uses " on the chart. do you see where the soy fed to cattle is called “soy cake”? that’s the byproduct of pressing soybeans for oil.

• approximate percent of soybean that is oil = 20.00
• percent of soy fed directly to animals = 7.00
• percent of soy fed to dairy = 1.4
• percent of soy fed to beef = 0.5
• percent of soy fed to pets = 0.5
• percent of soy fed to aquaculture = 5.6
• percent of soy fed to pig = 20.2
• percent of soy fed to poultry = 37.0
• percent of soy that becomes human food = 20.00
• percent of soy that becomes oil for food = 13.2
• percent of soy that becomes soy milk = 2.1
• percent of soy that becomes tofu = 2.6
• percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc = 2.2
• percent of soy that is fed to animals = 76.0
• percent of soy that is used industrially = 4.00
• percent of soy that becomes biodiesel = 2.8
• percent of soy that becomes lubricants = .03
• percent of soy that has other industrial uses = .07
• percent of soy not fed directly to animals = 93.00
• if all soy not fed directly to livestock were pressed for oil = (approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100) * percent of soy not fed directly to animals
• soy eaten not as oil = percent of soy that becomes soy milk + percent of soy that becomes tofu + percent of soy that becomes tempeh etc
• if all soy not eaten directly by livestock and not as non-oil food is pressed for oil = (percent of soy not fed directly to animals - soy eaten not as oil) * approximate percent of soybean that is oil / 100

If we take 7% of all soy out because it’s fed directly to animals, and another 6.9% is eaten, but not as oil, and 20% of each of the remaining beans are made of oil, we find 17.22% is the maximum amount of oil we could get if all the soy beans not fed to animals or eaten by people are pressed for oil.

It turns out that the chart shows 13.2% is oil for humans to eat, and 4.0% is used industrially (and these are all oil uses), totaling 17.2%,then basically all soy not eaten directly by animals or as various human foods is pressed for oil.

source https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2021/02/Global-soy-production-to-end-use.png

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once is too often. that doesn’t mean that the vast majority of them are experiencing torture. or even millions. or even thousands.

didn’t you already try that?

you’re not reading that page very closely. a soybean is only about 20% oil, so to get 17% in oil uses, you’ll need to crush about 85% of all soybeans.

that supports my case

you have a study that shows that 85% of soybeans aren’t crushed for oil? a study that shows that livestock aren’t mostly fed crop seconds and silage and industrial waste? i’d like to see that.

i doubt they’ll run out of beans. they probably already bought enough for the year on contract. same with the hotdogs, too, for that matter.

imagine i’m asking people for money and they give me change but i specifically meant personal checks. this is you. this is you right now.

do you have a plan to make that happen?

they’re not torturing them. they’re not being cruel for cruelty’s sake. The point isn’t the pain. The pain is incidental. it’s not torture.

You’re proposing people stop buying things from them now.

no one is torturing animals.

if enough people stop buying meat, less meat will be produced

i don’t think that will ever happen

the store gets to decide what to do with their money and they can choose to take the bean money and stock up on hotdogs for labor day.