The law is largely down to who argues better in court. There is precedent for reduced rights in public spaces. e.g. if you go into the town square and talk to someone and it’s caught on the camera of the mother a park bench away that’s recording her child … that’s not an illegal recording and she has the copyright on said recording. You have no legal right to ask the mother to delete the recording or delete your audio from the recording, even in a two party consent space because you have no right to privacy in a public setting like that.
Similarly, when you post on Lemmy … it’s kind of good faith that if you delete something it actually gets deleted from the platform across all instances and that it’s not just visibility deleted but deleted from the databases under the hood.
You do “own your content” but it’s pretty meaningless ownership.
Written works are tangible and so have a copyright upon creation, just like the video in your example. That recording posted online “publicly” where anyone can see it free of charge wouldn’t change its copyright. Also private internet sites really aren’t “public” space in the ways most laws would define it, because it’s a server hosted by a private individual. We’re in ruud’s house right now so-to-speak. He has every right to censor us and show us the door if he so chooses.
By posting or commenting here (or on reddit for that matter) we don’t fully waive copyright to IP. If I write a unique poem here and some random person plagiarizes it and sells it I could still sue. But on reddit, if reddit decides to publish a book of “Best of reddit poems” or transfer that license to someone else I’m shit out of luck. On lemmy without the legalese I stand a good chance in court revoking the assumed license of my work and having a positive legal outcome.
I’m in my own house, notice the @social.packetlosss.gg; our “houses” are just talking and that continued conversation is subject to ruud’s and I’s discretion. The way federation works, really nobody “owns” the content, there’s just an agreement on what the primary copy is. There’s no support for this in the software currently, but you could conceptually change which server is the primary copy at any time. The protocol and to some extent the content on it exist in an intangible space.
IMO all Reddit did was strengthen their legal argument; they arguably already had the right to make a “book of reddit poems.” They just wanted to stack the deck on their side. Arguably you have the right to make a book of poems on Reddit.
The law is largely down to who argues better in court. There is precedent for reduced rights in public spaces. e.g. if you go into the town square and talk to someone and it’s caught on the camera of the mother a park bench away that’s recording her child … that’s not an illegal recording and she has the copyright on said recording. You have no legal right to ask the mother to delete the recording or delete your audio from the recording, even in a two party consent space because you have no right to privacy in a public setting like that.
Similarly, when you post on Lemmy … it’s kind of good faith that if you delete something it actually gets deleted from the platform across all instances and that it’s not just visibility deleted but deleted from the databases under the hood.
You do “own your content” but it’s pretty meaningless ownership.
Written works are tangible and so have a copyright upon creation, just like the video in your example. That recording posted online “publicly” where anyone can see it free of charge wouldn’t change its copyright. Also private internet sites really aren’t “public” space in the ways most laws would define it, because it’s a server hosted by a private individual. We’re in ruud’s house right now so-to-speak. He has every right to censor us and show us the door if he so chooses.
By posting or commenting here (or on reddit for that matter) we don’t fully waive copyright to IP. If I write a unique poem here and some random person plagiarizes it and sells it I could still sue. But on reddit, if reddit decides to publish a book of “Best of reddit poems” or transfer that license to someone else I’m shit out of luck. On lemmy without the legalese I stand a good chance in court revoking the assumed license of my work and having a positive legal outcome.
I’m in my own house, notice the @social.packetlosss.gg; our “houses” are just talking and that continued conversation is subject to ruud’s and I’s discretion. The way federation works, really nobody “owns” the content, there’s just an agreement on what the primary copy is. There’s no support for this in the software currently, but you could conceptually change which server is the primary copy at any time. The protocol and to some extent the content on it exist in an intangible space.
IMO all Reddit did was strengthen their legal argument; they arguably already had the right to make a “book of reddit poems.” They just wanted to stack the deck on their side. Arguably you have the right to make a book of poems on Reddit.