You're invited to talk on Matrix
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You're invited to talk on Matrix

We know most of you were thrilled about our Discord server, so we decided to make you even happier with our very own space on matrix!

And lastly, this one is more for admins of other instances but we have opened a “LW Defense HQ” room which we want to use in our ongoing fight against spammers: https://matrix.to/#/#defense:lemmy.world

Come join us!

EDIT: Madlad @ruud@lemmy.world was easily convinced to set up a lemmy.world matrix server. So I edited the links to the new space and rooms. The old ones still work too!

That means you can now also sign up for a Lemmy World matrix account. Instructions in this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/3443207

  • Steve Anonymous@lemmy.world
    1081·
    1 year ago

    One of the things I love about Lemmy is finding out about new things. Now I get to figure out what matrix is!!!

    • asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
      71·
      1 year ago

      Same idea as Lemmy except for chat. Basically Reddit is to Lemmy as Slack / Discord is to Matrix. One minor detail is Matrix is actually the protocol, so it’s more like ActivityPub (which is Lemmy’s protocol), and there are specific apps for Matrix which use that protocol.

      • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        352·
        1 year ago

        No, it has some differences. We don’t have channels but spaces, which in discord terms are groups of different discord “servers”. For example you can create a Lemmy space with different rooms (matrix equivalent of discord servers) like general, coding, fediverse etc. Inside the Lemmy space. Currently video calls are a bit finicky but it’s still pretty good. Especially with E2E. For a complete clone you can use rocket.chat

        • Dark ArcAEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          Aren’t spaces more or less the building block for “servers”? i.e. can’t you basically have channels by grouping rooms in a shared space?

          • ninchuka@lemmy.one
            3·
            1 year ago

            Spaces are similar to discords servers/guilds yeah, but rooms don’t have to be in a space and they can be in as many spaces as anyone wants

          • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            that’s the alternative approach that matrix took. Probably has to do with technical things I don’t know about. But they a little bit inconvenient and less smoother than what discord has.

            • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
              1·
              1 year ago

              It is just a matter of presentation by the client. Hopefully they figure out how to join all rooms in a space at once to make switching “channels” more smooth.

              • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Yeah. However, currently I don’t know of any clients that do that specifically. Currently, I use schildichat (fork of element with ACTUAL linux support). I would like to use Nheko but it’s E2E implementation hasn’t been audited.

        • ninchuka@lemmy.one
          2·
          1 year ago

          Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call and what Do you mean by channels?

            • ninchuka@lemmy.one
              1·
              1 year ago

              You can kinda have that with spaces, I don’t see any reason why clients couldn’t sort them like discord does, would probably need something added to the spec so they can be sorted a certain way if users wanted to

          • spez@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            11·
            1 year ago

            Native group calls are being actively worked on with element call

            I know, it’s great! But I am just saying that it’s not there yet. But hopefully soon!

    • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
      17·
      1 year ago

      You can even add your Matrix account in your Lemmy settings so that other users can DM you securely through Matrix, not the Lemmy or Matrix admins will be able to read messages sent through that.

  • Obinice@lemmy.world
    401·
    1 year ago

    Huh, I guess I should find out what Matrix is!

    It’s got an ominous name for sure xD but then Discord isn’t exactly a happy name either :P

        • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
          113·
          1 year ago

          You mean you don’t like having to pay for Nitro just to make your profile icon an animated .gif, a feature which costs the developers literally nothing?

          …Yeah, me neither.

          • pathief@lemmy.world
            243·
            1 year ago

            I honestly think it’s nice. You’re paying for mostly cosmetic stuff and the core Discord experience is unaffected.

            I’m not sure if they suck or have shady businesses, but I have never felt the desire to pay for Nitro. I hope they manage to get profit with such an unremarkable set of perks.

            • Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world
              42·
              1 year ago

              I pay for nitro, not because I necessarily care about the features but just because it’s neet and convient. Like, I can upload to another playform and share a link, or I can just buy nitro and pay for the convience. I use discord every day so I don’t really mind supporting them.

              I really don’t understand where al the “discord is garbage” and “fuck discord” comes from, my guess it’s just federation extremists hating on every company in existence.

              • ninchuka@lemmy.one
                1·
                1 year ago

                Theres valid reasons to not like discord or not being FOSS isn’t one of them personally

              • pathief@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                I have also been using Discord since the start. I think people have forgotten how painful setting up groups on Skype or other alternative software was.

                I might be wrong but I think some people just think all closed software is garbage, doesn’t matter how good or cheap it is.

                • Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world
                  11·
                  1 year ago

                  That’s what I’m thinking, it’s really easy to use, really easy to grow communities, perfect to just set something up with friends. I think anyone that actually says discord is trash is just full of crap

        • ninchuka@lemmy.one
          2·
          1 year ago

          Discord has decent UX and the voice channels are great and easy to use, it’s far from garbage, just because it isn’t open source and technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don’t own it and there’s a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector

          • 𝕯𝖎𝖕𝖘𝖍𝖎𝖙@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            just because it isn’t open source

            You’re going to want to support projects that share their source with the world. Otherwise, how do you know what you’re actually using? You might want to give a read through discord’s TOS and make sure you’re comfortable with what they’re doing.

            technically matrix is mainly made/maintained by one company who made it at the same time, they don’t own it and there’s a separate entity the matrix foundation which is non profit which owns the actual spec and all that stuff but the majority of stuff done in the spec was by element/new vector

            Right. If it’s open source, the public owns it. You own it, as does New Vector and the Matrix foundation. You run the servers, or your friends do. You decide the terms and conditions. You extend the server or configure it in the way you like.

            The difference here is that Discord is a black box operated by one company. Matrix is an open box operated by you or people you trust.

          • Crashumbc@lemmy.world
            91·
            1 year ago

            Only used Lenny for a couple months now. But there seems to be a very strong extremist undercurrent in most groups.

            In this case, if it’s not FOSS and 100% FREE is a trash service/application.

            You learn to just tune it out after a while.

          • ky56@aussie.zone
            41·
            1 year ago

            But you didn’t have an issue with reddit until the rugpull, right? Same point/worry with Discord and any other centralized close source system.

            • Wogi@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              I had plenty of issues with Reddit and had been actively looking for an alternative for the better part of a year prior to the rugpull.

          • Zak@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            Reddit was great… until it wasn’t.

            Building communities in somebody else’s backyard is problematic because if your community gets popular, you’re stuck there. History has shown us that for-profit social sites/apps that grow large always turn to crap when it’s time for them to actually start making a significant profit. I haven’t seen any reason to think that Discord has figured out a way to prevent that. Have you?

            Something similar is even a risk with Lemmy because there isn’t really a way to migrate a community to another server if the admins of the one you pick change the policies in a way you aren’t OK with, or simply shut down the server.

    • lieuwex@discuss.tchncs.de
      12·
      1 year ago

      Well, it’s not called fediverse specifically in the case of Matrix. But yeah, it is a federated alternative to Discord.

    • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
      4·
      1 year ago

      Matrix is a federated protocol to build real-time data sharing apps. Mostly focuces on chat apps.

      It has flexible model of rooms. You can create room with 2 people that behave like WhatsApp chat, invite more and you have group chat, make room of rooms (called spaces) that works like Discord communities, also there are video rooms in the way that would work like mix of Discord voice channels with invite links like Zoom. Room is decentralized across multiple servers and to add people you eather invite or create a public alias (like #general:lemmy.world).

  • freamon@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    1 year ago

    I’ve not had any luck joining any of these rooms. I click the link, continue with Element (the web app), I can see that I’m logged in and can access a room I’ve already joined (for moderating another community), but for these rooms, I’m just getting:

    #lwgeneral:h-y-p-e-r.space is not accessible at this time.
    Try again later, or ask a room or space admin to check if you have access.
    M_UNKNOWN was returned while trying to access the room or space.
    If you think you’re seeing this message in error, please submit a bug report.

    EDIT: the updated links work for me now!

  • MossBear@lemmy.world
    11·
    1 year ago

    So what’s the quick bullet point version of how Matrix works? Are there instance like Lemmy? If so, what are the best ones?

    • Ruud@lemmy.worldM
      7·
      1 year ago

      I just setup a matrix server at lemmy.world, so just register an account on that if you like ;-)

  • CynicRaven@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    1 year ago

    I’m set up using Beeper for consolidation of a lot of my messaging platforms, and they support Matrix. That said, I’m not having any success in finding the listed spaces from the urls in the original post. Is there some kind of federation that needs to take place for this to be possible or, I dunno, is there some extension of Matrix that needs to be supported by Beeper for this to work?

  • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
    8·
    1 year ago

    I’ll be honest, as always I prefer to get status updates on Mastodon and beyond that, Lemmy isn’t a chat system for me, it’s more of a forum-style interaction system.

    But hey, I can see the need for chat in particular for mods, so cheers! 🥂

  • Autonomous User@lemmy.world
    105·
    1 year ago

    Discord, anti-libre software, does nothing to defend us from a rug pull: does Discord really think we’re stupid enough to fall for its scam.