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Telegram was built to protect activists and ordinary people from corrupt governments and corporations – we do not allow criminals to abuse our platform to evade justice.
So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity? It’s criminal in some states to seek an abortion or help with an abortion, so would they hand out the IPs of those “criminals”? Because depending on who you ask some will tell you they’re basically murderers. And that’s just one example.
Good privacy apps have nothing to hand out to any government, like Signal.
Exactly. The strive for zero knowledge is the proper way to be going.
But then you can’t sell your customer’s data for profit. Even if you don’t now, you still have that option in the future.
Exactly. Which is the entire reason you should do it. Since you can’t sell your customers for profit, that means you have to profit off of your customers. And another business could start up and compete with you. Also, your customers will trust you more.
In the US, agents must petition a judge for a search warrant. If granted, the agent may then compel an IT company to produce. If they are able, they must comply. It isn’t up to the CEO to decide what he feels is right.
Look for services that allow your data to be encrypted, but it must also clearly state the service provider does not have the encryption keys – you do. Apple does this, I believe.
So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity?
Probably Telegram themselves. Durov was forced into exile by Putin.
So who gets to pick what’s a lawful request and criminal activity?
The…law?
It’s criminal in some states to seek an abortion or help with an abortion, so would they hand out the IPs of those “criminals”?
Of course they will. If they don’t, they’ll be arrested. Which is exactly what happened.
The…law?
In which country?
The country in which the perpetrator lives or the crime was committed. First time using the internet?
The country in which the perpetrator lives or the crime was committed. First time using the internet?
In your opinion, all companies must disclose the personal information of customers whenever a Government says “This person broke the law”?
In your opinion
None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL
all companies must disclose the personal information of customers whenever a Government says “This person broke the law”?
Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant, and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from. (I don’t know all the legal terms here). The provider can contest it. Look at the disclosures of your favorite international tech company, most of them make this information public (except when the gov specifically tells them they can’t until they change their mind later).
None of this is my opinion, it’s just how the world works LOL
Can you elaborate?
Not necessarily, but kinda. The gov typically need some sort of warrant and they need approval from the country they’re requesting it from.
Which Government?
Pardon my ignorance as this is my first time using the internet, but I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.
Can you elaborate?
I just did.
Which Government?
I already answered this one as well.
I am pretty sure that every Government on the planet does not use a universal set of laws or procedures for enforcement.
No but they all certainly have some sort of system for requesting access to information.
Telegram users have never had privacy. Group chats are completely in the open and private messages are only encrypted if both users turn it on for each conversation—and it’s off by default. I’ve never understood why anyone thinks Telegram is any better than posting anywhere else on the internet.
All.non E2EE chat apps do this. Also Apple, Facebook, google etc. And don’t forget the us gov has no problem giving a gag order and demand backdoors and encryption keys (lavamail).
All this talk of encryption and sopenas is mostly pointless - all the police need to do is join any of the Telegram channels and see the evidence for themselves, like in this case - https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350438242/man-who-wanted-build-gallows-hear-jacinda-arderns-neck-snap-guilty-threats-kill
No doubt there are private channels but there’s absolutely no shortage of criminal stuff happening out in the open.
all the police need to do is join any of the Telegram channels and see the evidence for themselves
I mean, that doesn’t tell them who any of those people are?
That’s what subpoenas are for, to request the ip address and other identifying information are for. The documentation of activity in the channel is the evidence shown to a judge that then gets the official legal request.
That’s what that’s what subpoenas are for
Did you just not read the part of their comment that I quoted?
I did. Then I replied and here we are.
But your reply makes no sense since the person I was replying to specifically said they didn’t need subpoenas.
No, they did not say that. Which is why I responded. You really do like to look for inane arguments.
If your strategy is just to blatantly lie about what was said, despite the fact that it’s there for everyone to see, then I see no reason to continue this bad faith discussion. Bye.
Stop being eristic dude. Everywhere I go I see those dumbass comments of you. If no one here makes sense to you, then maybe the problem is in front of your monitor. But I’m pretty sure you’re just looking for arguments.
Have you considered not following me around and harassing me? Or maybe just not being wrong all the time?
Half of them use their real name. Also a lot of them are sharing links to content they’ve posted using their personal FB account or whatever. They don’t even try to have any opsec because they don’t think they’re doing anything wrong.
Half of them use their real name.
Which would never be admissible as evidence in court. I could make an account right now using your name, would that make you criminally liable for anything that I say?
Also a lot of them are sharing links to content they’ve posted using their personal FB account or whatever.
Do you think I couldn’t create a FB account with your name? Do you know how many friend requests I get every day from redundant accounts trying to masquerade as people I’m already friends with?
My younger sister (Gen Z) talks smack about my generation (millennial) overuse of emojis and this Telegram post is making me agree with her. The attempt at cutesie emojis is jarring.
On a privacy note in general, I got an email from Proton today saying that they were changing their terms of service and I actually care enough about the service that I went and read the new terms and privacy policies for the products that I use. I will admit to not understanding a lot of the legal ease, but the part I was most interested in was the data retention policies and data encryption. And that all seems to be pretty bulletproof from a tech angle.
