There’s a part of the Bible that talks about swelling the belly that can be considered vague enough to ignore. Although I think it’s pretty obvious what it’s talking about.
But the Bible is 100% crystal clear about fetuses being property and absolutely not a living human. In fact, I think it’s a bit extreme in that it says if you cause a miscarriage you just have to pay a fine.
I’m pro abortion but 20 weeks seems like it’s pushing that line for acceptable.
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According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.
Did you also miss the part about her being a teenager? Mental health issues? Only $400 to her name? You would sentence her and the fetus to an extremely difficult life. If you advocate adoption, you probably don’t understand the physical toll of carrying a fetus to term. So you’d be sentencing a teenager to undergo that still.
Pro abortion is a terrible way to frame that position. No one is advocating for more abortions. We are advocating for that option to be legally available alongside a multitude of support and educational routes to help people be fully informed as well as have access to proper birth control and medical care.
I’m advocating for abortions that make sense, i meant pro choice but pro abortion is fine too. As long as it doesn’t endanger the mother.
I’m an advocate for adoption, I’m adopted. All of that fucking sucks right? Not having money, chance for issues because of a young mother, mental health issues. Who doesn’t have mental health issues these days? Why wait 4-5 months? There are agencies that help people go across state lines to get abortions.
I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?
I think this whole thing is a shit situation and I’m sad to see them get sent to jail for something they could do legally in another state but endangering herself would not be what i would have done personally.
She is a teenager but she is 19, not 13/14/15. She is an adult
That’s not up to you to decide. That’s a decision to be made between a doctor and patient privately.
The rest of your comment is just special pleading to placate your delicate and ill placed sensibilities. That is a healthcare decision, the same as anything else you’d go to a doctor for. You not agreeing with someone else’s decision is your problem and yours alone.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me, they need to make sense to the people involved. Will i have an opinion on the matter sure. Does my opinion matter? No. If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things. If more people vote the other way and my guy/gal doesn’t win? That sucks try again another time.
And fuck my delicate ill placed sensibilities. I’m just here having a conversation. Expressing my thoughts, opinions, in a hopefully civil discourse.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me
Then why say it? Who else are you talking about and who decides what makes sense? Why would it have to make sense to anyone besides the doctor and patient?
If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
You try very hard to defend a shitty position while not admitting you hold it. From your other comments you are fully buying into the bullshit propaganda about abortions. Then you take that misinformation to the voting booth. You claimed to have LGBT friends (while making a thinly veiled homophobic joke). Ask them for some information on abortions. Ask some women. Hell, ask a damn doctor.
It’s OK to be wrong. It’s OK to have fallen for some well dressed propaganda. Just learn from it and try to understand why that happened.
As for who decides what makes sense, purple that are smarter than me, people that we vote into office, and hopefully the experts that we see when we go in for medical care.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
Nothing is to stop me or anyone else from voting. Or should anyway. Nice job calling me an idiot i suppose. What specific position am i defending that has you do up in arms? What have i done other than mistakenly end my first comment in this thread with a period Instead of a question mark? I seriously want to know. As someone raised republican and now a Democrat, and a card carrying member of the church of satan, that donates to them every year, what position am i defending?
As for homophobic joke… I’m not a fan of women i don’t know touching my butt, men i don’t know touching my butt, or really anyone i don’t know touching my butt.
When that teenage girl, i think of 14, from Ohio had to cross state lines to get an abortion because she was raped, i was appalled to hear of people saying “well there is no records of her being restored so obviously it’s a political stunt”.
Jesus fucking Christ people, put down your fucking pitch forks and try having a conversation with people. That’s the only way you are going to change minds. Stop going to war and have civil discourse.
I know it’s OK to be wrong, I’ve made many mistakes in life. But having my opinions on these matters is not one of them.
20 weeks is not pushing anything especially in states where it is extremely difficult to get an abortion. Some states require multiple doctor visits which can mean multiple days off work. That is not an easy task for many who are living paycheck to paycheck.
Also, who the fuck calls themselves pro-abortion?
That said, I read that she was about 28 weeks along. At that point it is considered a stillborn and needs to be properly disposed of. Burning the body and burying it in a friend’s yard does not fall under proper disposal.
I do. I am also pro-angioplasty and pro- root canal. These are all great medical procedures, and while it’s sad when an individual needs them, its great that they exist.
It’s absolutely a poor way to label yourself and the far right latch onto that and use it to convince their base that all pro choice people want more abortions and want to force those abortions on others. While you may have your own definition, it will absolutely be taken and used against you by the far right especially when you make it easy for them.
It’s a poor way to frame your position. It somewhat implies you want more of them to happen. Personally I’d prefer no abortions happen. Not because they’re illegal, but because there’s no need for the operation. I’d also prefer no need for angioplasty or root canals. Kinda like the idiots that call themselves “pro life” yet support the death penalty and think it needs to be used more.
I mean me, abortion is great if done correctly and doesn’t endanger the mother.
I have no idea as a guy with no kids how far along 20 weeks is in the gestation cycle. Other than there are about 4.3 weeks in a month and that’ll put them just under 5 months along? Seems pretty far along to me but again i don’t know the process.
Weird. I keep hearing the deranged nuts saying it’s murder. Are they OK with 2 years for murder? Why are they so easy on criminals?
Our do they subconsciously know it’s not actually murder?
These religious nuts forget it’s condoned in the Bible too.
There’s a part of the Bible that talks about swelling the belly that can be considered vague enough to ignore. Although I think it’s pretty obvious what it’s talking about.
But the Bible is 100% crystal clear about fetuses being property and absolutely not a living human. In fact, I think it’s a bit extreme in that it says if you cause a miscarriage you just have to pay a fine.
Depends on the version. Some versions of Numbers 5:11-31 mention the bitter drink causing a miscarriage if the wife is unfaithful.
Its still a normal murder sentence, they’re just planning on aborting it before term.
It’s only a tiny bit of murder, so a tiny murder sentence
I’m pro abortion but 20 weeks seems like it’s pushing that line for acceptable.
Article:
According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.
Did you also miss the part about her being a teenager? Mental health issues? Only $400 to her name? You would sentence her and the fetus to an extremely difficult life. If you advocate adoption, you probably don’t understand the physical toll of carrying a fetus to term. So you’d be sentencing a teenager to undergo that still.
Pro abortion is a terrible way to frame that position. No one is advocating for more abortions. We are advocating for that option to be legally available alongside a multitude of support and educational routes to help people be fully informed as well as have access to proper birth control and medical care.
I’m advocating for abortions that make sense, i meant pro choice but pro abortion is fine too. As long as it doesn’t endanger the mother.
I’m an advocate for adoption, I’m adopted. All of that fucking sucks right? Not having money, chance for issues because of a young mother, mental health issues. Who doesn’t have mental health issues these days? Why wait 4-5 months? There are agencies that help people go across state lines to get abortions.
I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?
I think this whole thing is a shit situation and I’m sad to see them get sent to jail for something they could do legally in another state but endangering herself would not be what i would have done personally.
She is a teenager but she is 19, not 13/14/15. She is an adult
That’s not up to you to decide. That’s a decision to be made between a doctor and patient privately.
The rest of your comment is just special pleading to placate your delicate and ill placed sensibilities. That is a healthcare decision, the same as anything else you’d go to a doctor for. You not agreeing with someone else’s decision is your problem and yours alone.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me, they need to make sense to the people involved. Will i have an opinion on the matter sure. Does my opinion matter? No. If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things. If more people vote the other way and my guy/gal doesn’t win? That sucks try again another time.
And fuck my delicate ill placed sensibilities. I’m just here having a conversation. Expressing my thoughts, opinions, in a hopefully civil discourse.
Then why say it? Who else are you talking about and who decides what makes sense? Why would it have to make sense to anyone besides the doctor and patient?
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
You try very hard to defend a shitty position while not admitting you hold it. From your other comments you are fully buying into the bullshit propaganda about abortions. Then you take that misinformation to the voting booth. You claimed to have LGBT friends (while making a thinly veiled homophobic joke). Ask them for some information on abortions. Ask some women. Hell, ask a damn doctor.
It’s OK to be wrong. It’s OK to have fallen for some well dressed propaganda. Just learn from it and try to understand why that happened.
Why say what specifically?
As for who decides what makes sense, purple that are smarter than me, people that we vote into office, and hopefully the experts that we see when we go in for medical care.
Nothing is to stop me or anyone else from voting. Or should anyway. Nice job calling me an idiot i suppose. What specific position am i defending that has you do up in arms? What have i done other than mistakenly end my first comment in this thread with a period Instead of a question mark? I seriously want to know. As someone raised republican and now a Democrat, and a card carrying member of the church of satan, that donates to them every year, what position am i defending?
As for homophobic joke… I’m not a fan of women i don’t know touching my butt, men i don’t know touching my butt, or really anyone i don’t know touching my butt.
When that teenage girl, i think of 14, from Ohio had to cross state lines to get an abortion because she was raped, i was appalled to hear of people saying “well there is no records of her being restored so obviously it’s a political stunt”.
Jesus fucking Christ people, put down your fucking pitch forks and try having a conversation with people. That’s the only way you are going to change minds. Stop going to war and have civil discourse.
I know it’s OK to be wrong, I’ve made many mistakes in life. But having my opinions on these matters is not one of them.
20 weeks is not pushing anything especially in states where it is extremely difficult to get an abortion. Some states require multiple doctor visits which can mean multiple days off work. That is not an easy task for many who are living paycheck to paycheck.
Also, who the fuck calls themselves pro-abortion?
That said, I read that she was about 28 weeks along. At that point it is considered a stillborn and needs to be properly disposed of. Burning the body and burying it in a friend’s yard does not fall under proper disposal.
I do. I am also pro-angioplasty and pro- root canal. These are all great medical procedures, and while it’s sad when an individual needs them, its great that they exist.
It’s absolutely a poor way to label yourself and the far right latch onto that and use it to convince their base that all pro choice people want more abortions and want to force those abortions on others. While you may have your own definition, it will absolutely be taken and used against you by the far right especially when you make it easy for them.
It’s a poor way to frame your position. It somewhat implies you want more of them to happen. Personally I’d prefer no abortions happen. Not because they’re illegal, but because there’s no need for the operation. I’d also prefer no need for angioplasty or root canals. Kinda like the idiots that call themselves “pro life” yet support the death penalty and think it needs to be used more.
I mean me, abortion is great if done correctly and doesn’t endanger the mother.
I have no idea as a guy with no kids how far along 20 weeks is in the gestation cycle. Other than there are about 4.3 weeks in a month and that’ll put them just under 5 months along? Seems pretty far along to me but again i don’t know the process.