Weird. I keep hearing the deranged nuts saying it’s murder. Are they OK with 2 years for murder? Why are they so easy on criminals?
Our do they subconsciously know it’s not actually murder?
These religious nuts forget it’s condoned in the Bible too.
There’s a part of the Bible that talks about swelling the belly that can be considered vague enough to ignore. Although I think it’s pretty obvious what it’s talking about.
But the Bible is 100% crystal clear about fetuses being property and absolutely not a living human. In fact, I think it’s a bit extreme in that it says if you cause a miscarriage you just have to pay a fine.
Depends on the version. Some versions of Numbers 5:11-31 mention the bitter drink causing a miscarriage if the wife is unfaithful.
Its still a normal murder sentence, they’re just planning on aborting it before term.
It’s only a tiny bit of murder, so a tiny murder sentence
I’m pro abortion but 20 weeks seems like it’s pushing that line for acceptable.
Article:
According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.
Did you also miss the part about her being a teenager? Mental health issues? Only $400 to her name? You would sentence her and the fetus to an extremely difficult life. If you advocate adoption, you probably don’t understand the physical toll of carrying a fetus to term. So you’d be sentencing a teenager to undergo that still.
Pro abortion is a terrible way to frame that position. No one is advocating for more abortions. We are advocating for that option to be legally available alongside a multitude of support and educational routes to help people be fully informed as well as have access to proper birth control and medical care.
I’m advocating for abortions that make sense, i meant pro choice but pro abortion is fine too. As long as it doesn’t endanger the mother.
I’m an advocate for adoption, I’m adopted. All of that fucking sucks right? Not having money, chance for issues because of a young mother, mental health issues. Who doesn’t have mental health issues these days? Why wait 4-5 months? There are agencies that help people go across state lines to get abortions.
I have not given birth or been on the receiving end of investigations like this. But you are telling me going through 4-5 more months of carrying the baby to term would do more harm to this young lady than the invesigation process, wondering if you will get caught, getting caught, and then 90 days in jail would be better for her?
I think this whole thing is a shit situation and I’m sad to see them get sent to jail for something they could do legally in another state but endangering herself would not be what i would have done personally.
She is a teenager but she is 19, not 13/14/15. She is an adult
I’m advocating for abortions that make sense
That’s not up to you to decide. That’s a decision to be made between a doctor and patient privately.
The rest of your comment is just special pleading to placate your delicate and ill placed sensibilities. That is a healthcare decision, the same as anything else you’d go to a doctor for. You not agreeing with someone else’s decision is your problem and yours alone.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me, they need to make sense to the people involved. Will i have an opinion on the matter sure. Does my opinion matter? No. If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things. If more people vote the other way and my guy/gal doesn’t win? That sucks try again another time.
And fuck my delicate ill placed sensibilities. I’m just here having a conversation. Expressing my thoughts, opinions, in a hopefully civil discourse.
I didn’t say the abortions needed to make sense to me
Then why say it? Who else are you talking about and who decides what makes sense? Why would it have to make sense to anyone besides the doctor and patient?
If i disagree i will vote to put people into office that will hopefully vote the way i want on things.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
You try very hard to defend a shitty position while not admitting you hold it. From your other comments you are fully buying into the bullshit propaganda about abortions. Then you take that misinformation to the voting booth. You claimed to have LGBT friends (while making a thinly veiled homophobic joke). Ask them for some information on abortions. Ask some women. Hell, ask a damn doctor.
It’s OK to be wrong. It’s OK to have fallen for some well dressed propaganda. Just learn from it and try to understand why that happened.
Why say what specifically?
As for who decides what makes sense, purple that are smarter than me, people that we vote into office, and hopefully the experts that we see when we go in for medical care.
And if some angry twat spouts lies like women are aborting at 9 months just for fun and that they’ll stop that, whats to stop you from voting for an idiot like that because you both don’t know what you’re talking about?
Nothing is to stop me or anyone else from voting. Or should anyway. Nice job calling me an idiot i suppose. What specific position am i defending that has you do up in arms? What have i done other than mistakenly end my first comment in this thread with a period Instead of a question mark? I seriously want to know. As someone raised republican and now a Democrat, and a card carrying member of the church of satan, that donates to them every year, what position am i defending?
As for homophobic joke… I’m not a fan of women i don’t know touching my butt, men i don’t know touching my butt, or really anyone i don’t know touching my butt.
When that teenage girl, i think of 14, from Ohio had to cross state lines to get an abortion because she was raped, i was appalled to hear of people saying “well there is no records of her being restored so obviously it’s a political stunt”.
Jesus fucking Christ people, put down your fucking pitch forks and try having a conversation with people. That’s the only way you are going to change minds. Stop going to war and have civil discourse.
I know it’s OK to be wrong, I’ve made many mistakes in life. But having my opinions on these matters is not one of them.
20 weeks is not pushing anything especially in states where it is extremely difficult to get an abortion. Some states require multiple doctor visits which can mean multiple days off work. That is not an easy task for many who are living paycheck to paycheck.
Also, who the fuck calls themselves pro-abortion?
That said, I read that she was about 28 weeks along. At that point it is considered a stillborn and needs to be properly disposed of. Burning the body and burying it in a friend’s yard does not fall under proper disposal.
Also, who the fuck calls themselves pro-abortion?
I do. I am also pro-angioplasty and pro- root canal. These are all great medical procedures, and while it’s sad when an individual needs them, its great that they exist.
It’s absolutely a poor way to label yourself and the far right latch onto that and use it to convince their base that all pro choice people want more abortions and want to force those abortions on others. While you may have your own definition, it will absolutely be taken and used against you by the far right especially when you make it easy for them.
It’s a poor way to frame your position. It somewhat implies you want more of them to happen. Personally I’d prefer no abortions happen. Not because they’re illegal, but because there’s no need for the operation. I’d also prefer no need for angioplasty or root canals. Kinda like the idiots that call themselves “pro life” yet support the death penalty and think it needs to be used more.
I mean me, abortion is great if done correctly and doesn’t endanger the mother.
I have no idea as a guy with no kids how far along 20 weeks is in the gestation cycle. Other than there are about 4.3 weeks in a month and that’ll put them just under 5 months along? Seems pretty far along to me but again i don’t know the process.
This was before they changed the law to disallow abortions after 12 weeks. This also is not exactly a case abortion advocates want to fully stand behind. She was like 28 weeks along and the mother ordered the pills saying they were for herself. She coached the daughter on how to take them and the daughter was happy to take them saying shit like she could not wait to wear jeans again. They then burned the stillborn and buried it in a friend’s yard. Most of the case is about improper disposal of a body.
I’m very pro-choice but the daughter should have been the one consulting a doctor to get the pills and they should have worked with the city/county to properly dispose of it.
Seems like a good trade off. 2 years in prison < 18 years in prison. Anyway, fuck Nebraska.
Let’s not forget that this is because Meta gave away Facebook messages that they thought were private. Do not use Facebook messenger! Or SMS!!
Jeez, that should be the headline.
“Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter abortion pills.”
Never trust Facebook, get a real E2E messenger app like signal
E2E is not enough. You can still be subpoenaed for Signal messages if they aren’t auto-deleted. Just ask all the folks involved in the trump indictments.
PGP anything that’s confidential.
“Facebook exposes messages that land a mom in prison for giving her daughter health care treatment.”
Pregnancy is a medical condition with possibly lethal health risks and abortion is a treatment for those that don’t accept those risks.
Abortion is health care.
Eh. I don’t see why we need to use vague terms when we could use specific ones.
Because people need to think of abortions access as health care. The same as cancer treatment, diagnosing illness, or getting stitches. And that starts with messaging.
Abortion is health care.
That’s fine, but it seems disingenuous to use the general term ‘health care’ when you could be more specific with what that health care actually is.
I don’t think it’s disingenuous at all. It’s treatment for a woman’s health. Calling out people for disapproving of health care is half the point.
Abortion is health care.
They own WhatsApp too
Does anyone have an article that describes point by point why Facebook is harmful? I’m having trouble getting my friends to switch to signal.
This is where the real injustice comes in.
Very interesting, though I wonder how much that would’ve actually changed … anything?
I don’t know if it would have change anything, but it did violate a legal right for a spurious reason and that is an injustice regardless of her sentence.
This headline is a bit misleading. She didn’t just help her daughter have an abortion, she helped her have a late-term abortion, and then burnt & buried the remains.
“According to prosecutors, after the pair bought pills to end the pregnancy, Celeste Burgess gave birth to a stillborn fetus. At the time, Nebraska law banned abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Celeste Burgess’s pregnancy was well past that point, according to court records.
Police say that the Burgesses buried the fetal remains. An examination of the remains suggested they may have also been burned, according to court documents.”
What a horrifying hellscape Nebraska must be for a mother and daughter to feel the need to go to such lengths for healthcare.
This is what happens when states destroy access to reproductive healthcare. Desperate people do stupid things.
I totally agree with you!
I really wish people would stop using the phrase “late term abortion”. It’s not a medical term. It’s a political one designed demonize those who almost solely terminate for medical reasons.
How would you describe this then? She had an abortion well past the pre-roe cutoff of 20 weeks, which is where it starts to become possible for a fetus to survive outside the womb with substantial medical help. No where has it been mentioned that there may have been a medical reason for the abortion.
To be clear, I’m pro-choice. However, there does come a point in a pregnancy where it becomes morally wrong to terminate if there is no danger to either the mother or the fetus, or the fetus is unviable. Neither of those situations were present here, and she was “well past 20 weeks”, though it’s not listed just how far past she was. So what would you suggest would be the proper terminology here?
Edit: according to CNN, she was around 28 weeks, or 7 months pregnant.
WTF USA? SMH
She should cross the border into Colorado, Polis would shelter her
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