Also, if you have doubts about brigading, Discuit have a brigading post on their meta community: https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta/post/pTyw2MZw
Edit: as you can see, the post has been deleted
I’d rather have people migrate over organically. I think Reddit was spoiled for me when it went from a niche collection of interesting people and topics to Facebook in a forum format. Almost anytime I go on r/all now i couldn’t tell if the posts were recent or bot reposts from 5 years ago. The smaller subreddits still keep the spirit of the place going but the general community is just another social network.
What makes this non organic? I learned about reddit on digg and Lemmy on Reddit. Seemed organic to me.
Maybe they just expect users to accidentally type in the name of a Lemmy instance into the URL bar? Is that organic enough?
Because OP is suggesting we brigade that subreddit and actively encourage people to use Lemmy. I believe eventually the users more like the OG redditors will come naturally on their own. Like with content from Lemmy shared on Reddit or other social media. Wait for the content and audience to bring them over than to self-advertise too much too early.
Reportedly Reddit has >500 million accounts, 73.1 million daily active users (DAUs) globally, and estimates for monthly unique visitors around 1.2 billion - the latter must be like non-account holders then? (I dunno how many are bots)
I seriously doubt that our tiny place even could “brigade” them if we tried in earnest (using humans rather than bots I mean).
Even so, I agree it’s best to be friendly and therefore sensitive to the subject to not let that happen.
Well that seems like an idea tailor made to make this site never expand. Content follows users. If it weren’t for people saying come use Lemmy I wouldn’t be here. Nor would 99% of people. Same with reddit.
Nothing actually seems real on Reddit anymore. Comments are fake and every story someone tells is fake too. News is just pushed by propaganda algorithms. It’s all gone to 💩
I’ll enjoy it here while it lasts.
Everyone either seems angry or like a bot. Before I couldn’t pull myself anyway, now I get bored a couple posts into the front page and then I just check it a few hobby subs that I hope can move here someday (mostly TTRPG ones lol).
Part of my problem is my niche hobbies have not migrated over or are trying their damndest but 99.9% stayed on Reddit and only 0.1% is here. Lucky that it is 0.1% and not actually 0%. I do try to be part of that 0.1%, hence modding !otomegames@ani.social.
I never went to r/all or any aggregate of top posts. I just left because some of my bigger hobby communities seemed meaner all of a sudden—wait, no, they are not meaner, they just forcibly sorted my home feed on mobile by controversial… and also the API drama, which didn’t impact me because the app always worked fine for me, but I figured with the ragebaiting, might as well dip in solidarity with people actually being affected.
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I say let them try the website themselves. If they liked using that website, then it’s okay. If they don’t like it then it’s okay too, maybe they’ll try lemmy out.
A comment saying
Lemmy is federated, with communities scatered around different servers. If someone is gonna search for an alternative to reddit, I doubt they want to have to learn to navigate the fediverse.
Currently has 15 votes, while my comment suggesting people to try Lemmy as it’s bigger is down to 2.
I’m not sure if Lemmy just has a very bad reputation over there in general, or if Discuit people are brigading the comments
People find the “which ‘Gaming’ community is the real one?” issue very frustrating, because they currently have the illusion that they have access to everything all in one place. The idea that you can’t have a discussion with a million other people is meaningless to them, totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
They look at Reddit, and they look at Lemmy, and they see that they’re different, but don’t really care why. They see that different (not more, just different) effort is required to navigate the space. They don’t care that they just need a different mental model to understand the space – they don’t want one. And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.
I’m not going to get up on my soapbox and rant and rave about this today – I’m too tired, and it’s too busy of a week – but this is what I mean when I keep saying we can’t win against centralized social media by aping the UI. “Lemmy” just isn’t a Reddit replacement in the same way that another centralized service is. A Lemmy-based website, sure. But not the network of them.
totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.
Wouldn’t they have FOMO by not following /r/Gaming, /r/Games, /r/Videogames, etc. as well?
And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.
They don’t really need one. They can just open https://vger.app/ , see that it’s quite similar to what Apollo used to be, then have a look around and see if they like it. They don’t need to understand federation to lurk. They don’t need to understand federation to install an app.
If they click on the vote or comment buttons, Voyager suggests them to register an account on Lemm.ee. Again, no need to understand what federation is to get it running.
I thought your parent comment to it was very well stated and succinct.
e.g. you don’t have to know how it works anymore than someone needs to know how email or a combustion engine works - you simply click to go there and start reading stuff, if you like it then make an account and start participating as well.:-)
Lemmy requires heavy curation to block extremist content if one is so inclined (as I am), but wasn’t Reddit becoming that way too when we left it? And on X I think it simply can’t be done at all. It would be neat if we could add a “political” tag to filter by (like NSFW/NSFL), but meh, it is what it is.
Unlike some other instances, the default there is All, so they’ll see the entirety of the Fediverse (minus Lemmygrad + Hexbear) even without an account or having to click anything at all. It’s the perfect instance to recommend to the Reddit audience that is so heavily American (according to similarweb, 51%:-).
You are doing great work making sure that people are aware of what choices they have available to them - what they do with that is ofc up to them.:-)
I would be interested in helping with a coordinated effort to promote Lemmy instances on Reddit. Sometimes I check in on /r/RedditAlternatives and it’s clear 90% of the people who would be happy with Lemmy have already left for Lemmy. But there are many threads where a simple “maybe check out Lemmy I like it a lot” could do a lot of help. It’s not like users need to quit Reddit but every post on a Lemmy instance (even if it’s also on Reddit) helps make our instances more appealing.
Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea? And we could get talking points aligned as well.
!fedigrow@lemm.ee should definitely work, I’ll have try to see if there were recent posts and try to link them there
However, be aware thar most of the mods are going to remove mentions of Reddit alternatives.
I was a mod for over a decade, believe me even if it gets removed, a quickly-upvoted comment will still get tons of attention 😈
The annoying part is getting banned and not being able to comment anymore 😔
mods are going to remove mentions of Reddit alternatives
Mods or admins?
Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea?
Sounds like a great idea! Any reason these couldn’t be posted right here in !fedigrow@lemm.ee? I think promoting the fediverse and growing the userbase falls well within the scope of c/fedigrow.
Certainly would fit here but a dedicated space I think would function better for coordinating a specific task.
I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
Are we hazing people on entrance? I didn’t get the memo that we’re running a cult over here.
I don’t use Reddit, but getting DMs from people telling me to use other platforms sounds like a great way to get me to not try those platforms.
This thread made me go see what’s up with Discuit, though, so… food for thought about social media dynamics.
Sorry, I’m not a native English speaker, but I don’t think that hazing is the correct term here.
I know were you coming from of course, but I don’t really see the harm telling people who are clearly dissatisfied with reddit about Lemmy.
Lol, they’re certainly not forced to join it.
It’s the right word in context, as in for an initiation ritual.
But still, you get the point. It’s not like we’re on an evangelical mission. There’s a bit of a difference between posting about it and DMing people, it feels… spammy? Your mileage may vary, of course, but I would find it a bit intrusive and kinda creepy, myself.
Nah, I think your choice of words in both cases (hazing and initiation ritual) is pretty hyperbolic and not at all correct, sorry.
But you are of course right, being spammy or obnoxious is obviously counterproductive, I agree!
I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.
It’s quite okay to be honest. Not that active, but that’s mostly it.
If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.
The issue is that to DM you have to know who is actually interested, and you’ll miss most of the lurkers. Also, this could be reported as spamming and get you banned.
Ah, thanks for the info and very good point. Good to hear that it’s not that bad.
I made a comment elsewhere in this thread, but I would be interested in helping out with a recruitment effort! Maybe it’s time to set up a Lemmy “get the word out” community?
Yeah, good idea. At least some organised effort would be helpful.
The other guy was right so, we should only inform and be helpful. Coming off as zealots would be counterproductive.
Yes absolutely, it depends on the context. The overall goal of such a community I think should just be to “put it out there”, and have people on reddit at least casually aware that Lemmy exists the same way people on Twitter are (now) aware of BlueSky and Mastodon.
I just had a look at https://discuit.net/DiscuitMeta, the thread there has been deleted too.
Not sure what happened, maybe they were afraid they were getting trolls from the post on Reddit?
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Oh damn I assumed they were different spellings for the same thing but I see what you mean, sorry.
No worries, I also had to double check that it wasn’t a federated setup similar to lemmy! haha
Hey thank you so much for letting me know btw:-).
Discuit dying out
Could have been paid for.
