The president of Mexico on Thursday expressed hope that Google “reconsiders” its decision to change its online maps to reflect U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that he has the authority to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico.
Shortly after taking office, Trump issued an executive order announcing he was changing the name of the body of water to the Gulf of America.
For U.S. users of Google Maps, the gulf was listed as the Gulf of America as of Thursday. Google, whose CEO attended Trump’s inauguration along with other tech moguls, said last month it has “a long-standing practice of applying name changes when they have been updated in official government sources.”
But Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum warned Thursday that her government “will file a civil suit” against Google if it does not revert back to labeling the international body of water the Gulf of Mexico.
Republicans are so good at baiting liberals into useless bullshit arguments, while they plunder stuff that actually matters.
I don’t think that’s fair in this case, she’s been killing it. She’s been drawing hard lines and meeting Trump blow for blow…
As for what’s important, she got concessions so far. Trump got to claim a win, but she let Trump use a previously negotiated deal while getting the US to commit to cracking down on the flow of guns into Mexico
And now she’s fighting on the bullshit culture war stuff… But you know Mexico speaks a different language and isn’t changing the name on their side, right?
The threats against Google are a threat to crack down on a massive US tech company, which is probably (undoubtedly) related to the threat of delayed tarrifs
She’s playing the game. If only the liberals would wake up and realize the game has changed too
I mean it’s Mexico. I wouldn’t really consider them “liberal”.
Dems and useless virtue-signaling. Name a better duo
I want to know how many of the people here defending Google’s decision would be okay with Google labeling Taiwan as “Taiwan (Chinese Taipei)” for people in Taiwan and also the rest of the world.
Who should care about annoying petty stuff to make a political point? Wether it’s the orange clown trying to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the little unwashed cokehead making a point of calling Kiev Kiyv. I’m surprised Google, that is100% a US regime tool didn’t rename that Chinese province already.
Did you really just call Taiwan a Chinese province?
It IS a Chinese province. Did you really not know that? Nobody recognises Taiwan as an independent state. Not even the hypocrite US meddling warmongers.
Please inform these countries that they do not exist.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan
Google also removed the ability to suggest edits to specifically the Gulf.
Guess they knew ahead of time they’d get an influx of requests to change or back.
They hadn’t removed that ability as of Thursday evening, because I was able to give feed back. My guess is they got a rash of hate messages similar to mine and decided to remove it because of that. I hate them so much right now, but Google is unfortunately the forefront service for my online life. So much I do with Google apps that I really can’t get in any one other place.
I prefer the name “golfo del gringo loco”
Don’t even bother with a pointless lawsuit. Simply stop using Google.
Nah, they’re a megacorp, you gotta hurt them where it counts - in their bottom line. Make them use their super expensive lawyers to defend this shit. Honestly more people/entities should do this. Even pro se, these corporate lawyers cost these companies literally hundreds of thousands of dollars to go into court. Just imagine how much you could cost them if everyone started suing them for any little thing. Even a response to a lawsuit requires a lawyer, which requires time and effort.
Its literally the only thing they care about - money. Strongly worded letters and protests aren’t enough. They can ignore those.
Google is worth more than Mexico. A frivolous lawsuit, which is what this would be, will hurt Mexico more.
have we (the human race) ever been to this point before? where corporations are big enough to absorb whole countries and there’s pretty much nobody who’ll stand up to them?
The East India Company is the first example that comes to mind. I’m sure others.
I really don’t think we are living through unprecedented times, unfortunately. People have sucked for as long as we’ve existed.
While we are at renaming things…
or we keep american shit inside america. fuck googlemaps, apple and all other shitty US corporations. see, tump will die some day and be forgotten, but people will remember what apple and google did. next time you see someone work for alphabet…spit them in the face. next time an american buys a burger, you spit on it. etc. it is not about actual harm as america is killing itself anyway atm. my bingo card says if trump wins twice, there shall also be two pandemics. maybe protest the egg prices a bit more before using that muri-brain to do sth. against it. americans are just stupid.
his name is now tump
Tumpthumbing
It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
President Sheinbaum can sue Google all she wants, but there’s no court that’s going to find that a US company complying with US policy is breaking the law.
You could be wrong. While possibly justified on Google’s part, Mexico will most likely sue its Mexican affiliate, and if Google wishes to operate in Mexico, it will have to comply with orders from Mexican courts. See twitter and Brazil for similar case.
That’s fully within the right of Mexico as a country, but that has nothing to do with anything that I’ve said here.
Going forward, the official US policy (because of this executive order) is that it’s the Gulf of America. No amount of suing Google will change that.
Actually the executive order only renames the parts that the US controls, and they don’t control the entire gulf
It doesn’t “rename” anything. It means the official US position is that the Gulf of Mexico doesn’t exist and instead it’s the Gulf of America. It’s not forcing anyone to call it that other than for official purposes–like in Governmental memos and official US documents–least of all foreign Governments or their people.
The US doesn’t own the Gulf. We can’t unilaterally change the name. But when the US Government officially refers to the Gulf, it will now be called the Gulf of America. That’s what the executive order did.
That’s literally what I said my dude, you’re just arguing semantics over the use of “renaming”
It’s not at all what you just said. Because it’s not renaming.
I honestly don’t know how to make this any simpler to digest for you. The EO changes the way the Gulf of Mexico is referenced in official correspondence for the Federal Government. It does not change the name for anyone but the federal government. That’s not the same as renaming it. The US doesn’t own it and can’t rename it.
Google is a Government contractor and is required to follow US policy to keep those contracts, which is why they’ve also changed it…
Truly I can’t make it any simpler.
It would be the same as if Congress passed memorandum changing the name of China to “Teddybear Land.” It doesn’t ipso facto change the name of China for the entire world–but instead when the federal government references China, instead of using the word China they’d use “Teddybear Land.”
It’s semantics and I cannot for the life of me understand why people are having an issue digesting what’s going on.
I said it renames the part the US controls, this argument of renaming the entire thing is a figment of your imagination, or you’re replying to the wrong message. Replace “renamed” with “named” in my sentence and then you have no leg to stand on. Your example is stupid, china is not “a part the US controls”, please do not engage in replying to my comments if you’re just going to strawman me.
I said it renames the part the US controls
Okay, and yet again (and for the last time) this is incorrect. It doesn’t rename anything.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.” That’s their problem but I don’t give a fuck what they call things and I don’t know why google thinks I should.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
Exactly
Here you go;
American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There’s no conflict and therefore within the power of the executive branch.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
It’s the executive branch. It would be the same as if Congress did the same, and passed a law saying “The Gulf of Mexico is now the Gulf of America.” There’s no source required, it’s literally how the US Government works, but if you want one; American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There’s no federal law establishing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, so there’s no conflict with the first limitation. No one in Congress is willing to stop him, so no conflict with the second. And there’s no conflict with existing congressional legislation, so there’s no conflict with the third. So therefore the executive order is within the power of the executive branch.
Because Google is a US company and operates within the US, it has to follow US policy. The President just changed US policy to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico… So they either have to comply or be sued by the executive for not following US policy–which they’ll lose.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
Because again, Google is a US company. So if you want to see Gulf of Mexico again, use any map provider that isn’t from a US company.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.”
That’s an extreme oversimplification of what’s going on here. But it kinda outlines how important it is to elect good people, huh?
It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
We have a bunch of amendments…go look at the first.
I think you KNOW it’s because Pichai was there and is part of that club now.
The executive order doesn’t conflict with anyone’s freedom of speech… The President didn’t release an executive order saying “no one is allowed to call it the Gulf of Mexico anymore!”
I’m not going to type it all out again, but here you go: https://lemm.ee/post/55471251/18276179
But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it’s located in North America.
It also kind of makes sense to leave the name in place since the world has been calling it the “Gulf of Mexico” mid-1500s. The original name was in reference to the Aztecs.
It’s also the country that has the majority of the coastline
Removed by mod
trump?
The Mexican cartel leader
Most of the drug addicts are here in the us. I’m assuming you are as well.
I don’t even live in that part of the world. Lol
Well, the continent was named America, not the Mexico continent. So the name Gulf of America just sounds right. It’s not like the name changed to the Gulf of US.
I thought it was called North America?
Yeah, “America”.
Following your logic Lake Michigan should be renamed Lake America. There’s a bunch of lakes up there, do they all get renamed Lake of America? Seems confusing!
Here’s a list of all the gulfs in the Americas:
North America
- Gulf of Mexico
- Gulf of Alaska
- Gulf of California (Sea of Cortes)
- Gulf of St. Lawrence
- Gulf of Honduras
- Gulf of Panama
- Gulf of Tehuantepec
Central and South America
- Gulf of Darien (Colombia and Panama)
- Gulf of Venezuela
- Gulf of Guayaquil (Ecuador)
Following your logic, they’re all badly named because that’s just named after the region they’re in, not the content.
Not badly named, I just don’t see anything wrong renaming it to the Gulf of America. It’s like renaming the South China Sea to South East Asia Sea.
Whoa, fella, you can’t apply logic and reasoning around here.
True, lol.
President of mexico is just showing themselves to be as big of a baby as trump. Best thing to do is ignore it. Its of such little importance.
Right? Honestly there are plenty of geographical features that are named differently between different languages and countries. It really doesn’t affect anybody except people in the US.
you both are stupid. “let the bully do it”.
how about Fuck the USA? much sexier.
Sorry, that isn’t what I was trying to say. It’s not about “letting the bully do it” (which isn’t what i said at all, so i dont know why you put it in quotation marks)
It’s just a name. It’s nothing. Better to fight him on denying trans people, or taking away rights from women, or reversing climate change deals, or letting a lizard faced man child dismantle the federal governement, or promoting racism, and nazi-ism.
The name of a fucking body of water means absolutely nothing compared to some of the shit he is pulling.
I dont think being concerned with the name of the gulf matters at all compared to this.
Did you see recently the thing about plastic straws? That he wants to bring back plastic straws? This is the kind of thing he wants to change! Trump is a complete moron and he is causing a crazy amount of damage to the US and the rest of the world. But you want to fight him over changing the name of some water?
No! i will not accept my downvotes, i stand by what i said. Its not important, you are directing your anger at the wrong target.
just added maps.google.com to pihole blacklist
I wish i could add childishness to my pihole blacklist.
Seriously, think about what you are angry about here. Is this what matters to you?
I feel like people who care about something this stupid are either shills for trump or just too damn stupid to see a bigger picture. In the latter case I guess I have to give it to Trump: he threw a bone that idiots couldn’t pass up.
Meh I’ll still use Google.
I don’t. DuckDuckGo and an alternative email provider are wonderful.
DuckDuckGo is just Bing. And Microsoft is not any better in terms of kissing Trump’s ass.
Not quite.
DuckDuckGo’s results are a compilation of “over 400” sources according to itself, including Bing, Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha , Yandex, and its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot); but none from Google. It also uses data from sites such as wikipedia, to populate knowledge panel boxes to the right of the search results.
Its main partnership is with Bing.
And this is why it’s a problem: https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/17/brave_duckduckgo/
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I can understand why. To each their own.
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Nope. Although one explorer did call it Gulf of Florida at one point.
Why bother with this? If you want to make a point, pass regulation in Mexico to call E.E.U.U. (US in Mexico) be called Northern Mexico. Then Google is forced to comply on that territory like they claim they do for disputed sections when maps are viewed from that region. It would make for some funny reactions from people visiting Cancun or Puerto Vallarta.
Edit: plus it would show how stupid the whole rename thing is to begin with.
TIL…
The abbreviation E.E.U.U. (often written as EE. UU.) stands for Estados Unidos (United States) in Spanish. This abbreviation follows a grammatical rule in Spanish where doubling the initial letters of each word indicates plurality
So you taught me something today I did not know. Thank you!!
That rule existed in Portuguese as well, but they dropped that as indication of plurality is just… wasteful
Interestingly (or not) it’s also used in French but only in one case that I’m aware of. Monsieur is abbreviated to M. while messieurs (plural) is MM.
Oh, 2 M’s touch.
Just let our mexican and Canadian neighbors take over the USA. We’ve proven to be unworthy of making wise choices.
Wait what do they call the European Union then because that’s still EU in Spanish as well.
It’s UE in Spanish, from Unión Europea. (Non-doubled letters because it’s a single Union, there’s no plural like in “States”).
Sometimes people in Spain do use the English acronyms for both EU/USA, but I don’t think I’ve seen it often. Both UE and EEUU are more common from what I’ve seen, and also people rarely say these out loud, it’s exclusively a written language problem.
If we’re going to play that demagogic game, why not make “United States of America” be shown as “United States of North America” to reclaim the continent name back? Companies will comply if it’s an official request.
They are both states united and in north america…
Es el chapulín colorado
No contaban con mi astucia!
Google is one of many propaganda arms of the US govt. I highly doubt they’d comply with that as it doesn’t fit in with their political agenda.
At that point they would be like twitter in Brazil when they didn’t comply with fines and were blocked at the country level: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y06vzk3yjo
