The Funkwhale music platform is alive and in active development, and they’re working on a feature to filter far-right artists off the network. Some Fediverse self-hosters are divided on letting a third party decide what should be allowed in their library.
Horrible idea. Let people share what they want and give the means for individuals to hide content they don’t want to see.
We shouldn’t be deciding for other people what they are allowed to see.
The next generation of internet users should really look into the Streisand Effect. You’re only going to drive more people away from your cause when you try to control what they get to say and what they’re allowed to see.
I’m already abandoning the left as quickly as possible because I’m sick of yall’s censorship and propaganda tactics; this is just another one of them.
For me it’s independent or bust. You can thank all the brow-beaters, tantrum-throwers, useful idiots, and mod-abusers for why I’m no longer loyal to their side. These kids need to grow up if they want more adults to take them seriously.
Sounds like a fantastic plan.
The handwringing about if we’re being nice enough to the alt right is directly contributing to why we have so much mess we’re now having to deal with. The approach seems sane to find music that’s very specifically nazi rock, so they’re being extremely limited in response, imo.
Screw em, kick them out of anywhere you find them, and then nail the door they used to get in shut.
Hard disagree. Just like when people in the fediverse tried to block using certain words across the entire medium, this is going to cause more harm than good to appease people who can’t think for themselves.
I swear, the brow-beating crowd really has had free reign these past few years. It’s time to rein them back in and watch them kick and scream like the tantrum-throwing children they really are.
Root them out of all their little hidey hidey holes
While that is funny and certainly deserved. Normally I would say that its not their place to decide that but fuck right wingers they deserve to be purged out of every single space they have.
I’m a bit torn on the idea, myself. On one hand, fuck fascists, don’t let ‘em have an inch. But on the other hand, this does kinda take away a users’ freedoms with the software.
Honestly, I think it’s fine if it’s a plugin or something that you can install at your own discretion or something. Or if it’s baked-in, it should be an opt-in setting. I’m of the opinion that the actual software, itself, should be apolitical. It’s something I can respect the Lemmy devs for, after all; even though I disagree with their politics, the actual Lemmy code is politically agnostic, and I think that’s for the best.
I’m sure people are still free to take the code and make the necessary adjustments if they really need to host a Nazi-friendly instance.
A fork is desirable. Then we can have antifa hacktivists contributing to that source with malware to scare them out of their dumb political views.
Which is an outcome I actually worry about, if they implemented this feature in Funkwhale. A fascist fork of the app existing and having a userbase gives it legitimacy. It immediately sells itself to those people: “Come to our free speech music platform” will bring in a lot of new users, very easily.
I mean, that’s the freedom you’ve been so concerned about only two posts ago. it’s a similar situation with Gab and Truth.social. they both use Mastodon’s code, but everyone else distances themselves from them.
Generally speaking, I agree. It’s just interesting to see a platform force a mechanism into itself that admins can’t turn off. The only thing that really bugs me about that is that admins are kind of supposed to have the final say on what their server does, and some of the infrastructure for this idea seems a bit shaky at best.
Its open source, the admins can turn it off by reverting the patch. The person who coded it has the final say on what their software does in an open source world if you dont like it you are welcome to fork it. The fork should still be able to connect to the network and interact as it did before.
The intent sounds fine, but as @deadsuperhero@lemmy.world points out, it offloads the actual responsibility of filtering on MusicBrainz and WikiData.
It’s not hard to imagine MusicBrainz being flooded by users trying to circumvent bans by editing tags. Or incorrectly tagging bands they don’t like or agree with to get them banned.
Funkwhale probably isn’t big enough in itself to make a huge splash, but this proposed ban does add another target to the extreme right’s hit list. It seems a little iffy to me to make an open project like MusicBrainz that target?
Just ban country music and you’ve covered like 80% of it.
As a fan of the odd bit of black metal, I would appreciate the 20% being dealt with
At least most nsbm sucks and/or have names like “ss wehrwulf division 1488” so it’s usually really easy to avoid.
Still, be great to have another tool to filter bands.
Edit: looks like it’s going to be based on musicbrainz metadata, checked Burzum because Vikernes is a Nazi and Peste Noir, neither of which have an nsbm tag, nor do Grand Belial’s Key or an actual band called Wehrwolf, probably because of how niche black metal is.
I’ve personally used this list as a place to start, not perfect but it’s something. Metallum lyrical content helps as well.
“Wehrwolf” would make for an incredible semi-comedy horror movie. It howls at the moon because it’s the one white thing in a black night sky. It definitely dies when someone breaks a WWII tank out of storage and shoots it with a silver tank shell
I fail to see how it’s even possible for an open source project to dictate what content is acceptable. Also, the entire idea is contrary to rms’ FOSS goals (for any purpose), other than being completely ineffective. I can understand the need for agency and contribution to whatever resistance can be mustered, but this is larping.
Reeks of bullshit ass slippery slope censorship to me.
They have benefitted from and encouraged ‘but if you do that you’re no diffrent from-’ spinelessness.
Their entire gameplan has been to whine and sob and play victim while demanding ‘we’ march to where they are, while they take two more steps back and whine and sob more at how we’re extremists.
So. Fuck 'em.
Their ‘compromise’ is ‘we give them everything, and get nothing in return.’
Show them that they are not welcome or wanted.
Are you taking about funkwhale or the right wingers?
Rightwingers.
Ah, your original message does not make this clear. In fact, since the post is about Funkwhale, it seems like your talking shit about the platform, even though its not apparent what ‘shit’ refers to.
Fair criticism.
What.
This seems like well intentioned but ultimately pointless. Nothing is stopping a nazi group from just forking off an older version like how gab did with mastodon, and no currently active funkwhale pods allow right wing content already.
Maybe Im off base here but I’d say like 10% of music leans right of center?
This idea sounds dumb. Just don’t listen to kid rock or ted Nugent, or most country, and you’re basically all set.
Then there’s like 3 bands per genre that are dog whistlers or overtly shitty humans.
Done?
From an American point of view, that’s true. European metal has a bit of a Nazi problem.
If only funkwhale wasn’t such a royal pain in the ass.
And had a way to support artists
How would you do it directly in the software?
Ability for artist to host their own music and a way to pay them
Yeah, the UX is historically not great. I’m also pretty sure that the federated social layer is still kind of non-existent at this point. It used to be that you could upload your own music and share it, but you’d never see replies from anybody.
It’s like someone took a Grooveshark clone, shoehorned federation into it, and then kind of made some features act like SoundCloud, if you squint. But, they didn’t really finish the transition.
Setup is also huge pain and it has compatibility issues with clients that use the subsonic API. Every step of the way something I needed from it had issues. I gave up running one funkwhale instance for multiple users and instead spun up 4 Navidrome instances. Not only was it easier and more stable it also uses less resources than one funkwhale setup.
As much as I love the idea of funkwhale it’s just so far away from usable.
@deadsuperhero@lemmy.world OMG roastmaster Sean, where can I subscribe to hear more of this.
You can decide what music you listen to. Anyway a band being too politcal won’t make bad music, you don’t have to agree to their ideas to appreciate the music
Isn’t that the age old “Is Burzum NSBM” discussion. Vikernes is definitely a Nazi, but his music, as in texts etc, isn’t infested with Nazi ideology much unlike much more clear-cut NSBM: It’s not National-Socialist Black Metal, but Black Metal than happens to be created by a National Socialist.
IMO in the end I don’t mind you listening to, or even liking, Burzum, but please have the moral wherewithal to pirate. If that means you can’t have them on the platform because you’d be exposed to lawsuits, then so be it. Fuck Vikernes, he made his own bed.
This is how you get republicans wanting to use RATM on the campaign trail
That’s kinda funny
What exactly is funkwhale? It looks like a federated music platform of some sort?
It’s basically an open source, federated clone of GrooveShark, which was kind of like Plex but just for music.
Huh. Well that seems pretty cool
Lame.
Can anyone tell me why I can’t login to Funkwhale with my instance? No matter what I do I can’t use it. I tried using one of their suggested instances too and nada.
Which instance do you use? Mine had been having issues recently
World. But I did use one of the ones they suggested and that didn’t work either.
